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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-02 4:55 AM (#207 - in reply to #206)
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Don't know if I'll keep it for long as the novelty past EISA is probably limited, but I'll enjoy trying out EISA for the time being. Now I just need some floppies so I can install the BIOS (The Setup must be installed on the hard drive) and get it off the ground.

It will show up in a video at some point, though it will be some way down the line from now. One of the reasons I chose NT 3.51 was because of that, as it gives me an excuse to talk about it. There's every chance I'll upgrade it to NT 4.0 eventually despite 3.51 being technically era correct. As production for the planned video continues to hit obstacles I have moved focus onto something else I can produce quickly as a hold-over until I can get the proper video done.

Where I worked I saw a lot of Compaq machines as from the late 486 / early Pentium onwards their go-to was the Deskpro, the majority of them being 400MHz Pentium II machines (PD1005 I think) and a lot of older systems left over, likely 575e / 5100e. Incidentally, that's where the monitor in my photo came from. I liked them, they never broke down so being called to fix them was usually only a case of undoing a settings change or misplaced file by incompetent users, the systems themselves just sat there and did what they were supposed to do incredibly well. Ours were beige, but had gray drives in them, it was odd that gray color because it never seemed to catch on, DEC (and others) made a 486 where the entire case was that color and I know because I owned one briefly a long time ago, but the guy who gave me it wanted it back. I wasn't too upset as I had a Duron by then anyway and he was still getting use out of it.


I have almost no idea what these Pi boards can be used for, but I hope you have fun with it. I have yet to use bluetooth for anything, never really had any device that requires it as there has always been an Ethernet port and I've no idea how it works anyway, I owned a phone that used Infrared once though and I got the impression Bluetooth replaced that, so I can only guess that it behaves similarly, it just uses radio instead which is probably better. It's odd that you're playing with an SBC though because I was about to go and install an OS on one, it is significantly larger and less powerful than your one there though.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-02 11:47 AM (#208 - in reply to #207)
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That's some of the same thoughts that I had on EISA as well. They seem like a fun thing to mess around with, when setting stuff up and tinkering around with. Nothing more than that though. Cards are hard to find, nearly to the brink of unobtainable, and when they are found they are extremely expensive. Yeah.... So I have decided not to have EISA in my collection. Yet alone MCA wich seems like an even cooler experience to tinker with.

About that PI machine. Hmmm... Yeah... They are nice modern solutions to small chores, like building a computerised garage door opener, doing a code-lock on the front door or some other sort of home automation. A bit like an Arduino on steroids. Then they are perfect for building a file server, using Debian/Ubuntu-server with samba server installed on top. They can be used to make a small and cheap Linux desktop surf/mail machine, or even make some sort of cheap cluster for rendering (need multiple boards) or doing a cheap Mame/Console-emulation station for a flatscreen tv. I plan on making something out of my OrangePI, that has something to do with Linux at first. This could be a Minecraft gaming machine or use it for a file server. Most likely I will make a Linux workstation for my TV or do a media center setup.

All these type of thing, can be build using eighter a RaspberryPI or OrangePI machine, using specific distro(images) ready made. Just download the one you want, write it to an sd card with win image and boot the sucker with that sd-card. Easy as PI. :-)

Edit:
All this bluetooth thing, is just using radio signals. Has a range of aprox 10 meters and you can pair stuff in order for autoconnect when within range. I too never use bluetooth, as I am using a cable for transferring pictures from my phone to my laptop. When I need to use it, those 1 to 3 times a year, I start by selecting "recieve files" on the bluetooth icon on my taskbar. Then I turn on the bluetooth radio on my phone, and select the picture, choose "send using bluettoth" and select the computer. Pretty easy, though my phone can not send more than 1 to 2 files using bluetooth. Nice and handy technology, just not as great as a standard data-cable. Perfect for headset, when talking on the phone on the other hand.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-03 9:50 AM (#209 - in reply to #208)
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I've seen EISA cards going cheap before on the basis that almost nobody owns anything with EISA interfaces anyway, and even then most of the cards have no need to be EISA. There's no point in having, say, a 10Mbit/s Ethernet card on the interface and therefore no disadvantage to plugging in a regular ISA one (as the slots accept those).

For things like door openers I'd probably still go for old time electronics. Sucks really because if you look up scematics now they're nearly all for Pi/Arduino stuff even if all you want to do is flash some LEDs in sequence, horribly inefficient. I can see the appeal of, for example, loading one full of emulators and tying it to the back of a TV screen though.

As I suspected, Bluetooth seems to be a replacement for the functions of IR and adds a few new things into the mix.



Obscure, little known bit of information; Few know that Mullet Man briefly visited West Germany in the mid 1980s -

Unfortunately this seems to be another set-back for the video I was working on as the visuals are also detected by the copyright system. It is possible that as it is in a relatively small window there I might get away with it, so I'll try rendering that segment and uploading unlisted to the second channel to see if it triggers the system.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-03 6:49 PM (#210 - in reply to #209)
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Hmmm.... Yeah... On the other hand, finding EISA cards that you can actually use, are now an option for you.
I have thought about what to use the OrangePI for, and I think that I will try and source a dead PS1 or Amiga.
I can get extender cables for allmost everything that need to be plugged into it, so it will be possible to mod
some sort of dead machine.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-06 3:58 PM (#211 - in reply to #210)
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Got me self a new toy. Well... "New" is a more correct term. Or old, and new to my collection if you like.
I got it for free from my brother. He had it in the closet the last 2 to 4 years, because he uses a MacBook.

An IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad R61. 14.1 inch, Core2Duo, 4gb Ram, 120gb HDD, Bluetooth, Wifi, FireWire and so on.
The screen/LCD-Panel is cracked, so there is a big black spot rendering some 15/20% unuseable and dead.
Tracked down a refurbished LCD panel from London, through eBay, and ordered it. Hope it will arrive next week.
The price was not that bad eighter. I had to pay aprox 205 Kroners wich is 28 US Dollars (roughly converted currency)
I have never changed panels on a laptop before, only the complete assembly.
So this will actually be fun to the max when I get that screen in the mail. Can't wait to learn a new skill.



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Robman
Posted 2017-02-06 11:31 PM (#212 - in reply to #211)
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Sweet deal, still could use that lappy everyday.

As for taking apart the laptop.. Google or Youtube how to take that model apart, take some hi resolution photos at various steps in the disassembling process to fall back on if you get a little bit lost and keep good track of which screws go in which holes. That's my advice anyway.

Changes are, just to change the screen you'll have to take it all apart, short of actually taking the motherboard out.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-07 9:28 AM (#213 - in reply to #212)
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I have checked youtube, and it is only a matter of removing the bezel. Takning out some screws, de-attach 2 cables to remove the panel. So it is not that big a surgery. The motherboard will not have to be removed. This is more or less the same procedure on every laptops out there. So no removing of the motherboard it self. :-)
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-08 12:32 AM (#214 - in reply to #213)
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Installed Xubuntu 16.04 LTS on my Thinkpad R52 today. No... Not the R61 that I have ordered a new panel for.
This machine is a Pentium-M 1.8 with 2gb of Ram. 3 to 5 times faster on Xubuntu, than on a WinXP installation.
Even the heat from the CPU is less. Now I can not even feel the heat through the keyboard after 2 hours.

Why Xubuntu? Hmmm.... Well...
It is running on less ressources. It is running A LOT cooler than XP, and the OS are an LTS edition.
LTS stands for Long Term Support (if anyone did not know), and because it is version 16.04,
then it will recieve support and updates for a minimum of April 2016 and 3 years ahead. (Hence 16.04)
This is awesomme... I can go on forum.dxzeff.com or other forums within 30 seconds from powering
the machine on, surf safely without worries and read my mails. I can even go online, and use my
homebanking as if this was a shiny new Win10 machine.

Gaming? Hmmm... Not my thing on Linux. That is what Dos-6.22, Win98 and Playstation's are for.
Except for one single game on Linux. That is Frozen Bubbles 2. Highly addictive I might add.


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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-09 11:10 AM (#215 - in reply to #214)
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Xubuntu, isn't that XDM as opposed to Gnome? Good, I like XDM, though I always favored KDM when more power was available, Gnome sucks.
I recently played with a Unix-like OS myself, an interesting one at that, but I'll talk about it some other time.

I'm not going to type much in this post because my laptop keyboard spontaneously died last night, as I typed more and more keys stopped working and now it is broken. Typing on this external keyboard is awkward and I need it for other things. The mouse pad has since gone barmy too and the drives keep kicking strangely for unknown reasons. I think it's still under warranty so I'm just contemplating if it is worth my time to try fixing it or to simply leave it and chase up the guy who sold me it.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-09 11:40 AM (#216 - in reply to #215)
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DXZeff - 2017-02-09 1:10 PM

Xubuntu, isn't that XDM as opposed to Gnome? Good, I like XDM, though I always favored KDM when more power was available, Gnome sucks.
I recently played with a Unix-like OS myself, an interesting one at that, but I'll talk about it some other time.

I'm not going to type much in this post because my laptop keyboard spontaneously died last night, as I typed more and more keys stopped working and now it is broken. Typing on this external keyboard is awkward and I need it for other things. The mouse pad has since gone barmy too and the drives keep kicking strangely for unknown reasons. I think it's still under warranty so I'm just contemplating if it is worth my time to try fixing it or to simply leave it and chase up the guy who sold me it.


True that. Personally I allways liked Gnome 2 over any of the KDM's out there. Taste differs I guess.
I do not know what it is, or was. Just that Gnome 2 spoke more to me. Sadly it is kind of "dead" despite reborn into Mate.

I really hope that you will be able to fix that keyboard issue. As a last resort, you can probably find a used one on eBay.
London based resellers of refurbished products seem to be a lot cheaper than other European companies.

As for me... I found this for cheap today, and bought it.


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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-09 11:57 AM (#217 - in reply to #216)
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ET6000, nice! I've sort of wanted one for a while, but haven't found a real reason to have one yet. I'm generally happy with Matrox cards in the mean time I guess.

As for the keyboard, I was going to replace it anyway, horrible UK layout and I've always used US International, so it continually irritated me because I couldn't use RAlt for anything and had to keep jotting down Alt-Numpad combinations. Plus I kept typing things wrong due to the strange layout of some keys, I never did understand why they made the Return key larger and moved the backslash to the bottom left, it makes no sense to me.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-09 12:05 PM (#218 - in reply to #71)
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When I saw that the price was around the same as 7 USD, I kind of instantly went for it. Checking prices on eBay, gave me a chock.

CHOCK'er

And it has not nearly the same amount of Ram on it, as the one I found. Yeah.... Anyway.

The problem I am facing, when going out for a replacement keyboard, is that it needs to be a Danish layout.
In it self, no problem, as I am used to that. The big problem is pricing. All on eBay are English/US.
So the price for a new keyboard for me, is way higher. Because it need to be bought locally.
And because of that, I will just buy the original replacement part anyway.
Meaning expensive and not cheap china crap. On the other hand. A keyboard need to be of high quality anyway.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-09 12:41 PM (#219 - in reply to #218)
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Yeah, that seems about normal for eBay prices. Locally there's nowhere left, so I've mostly had to rely on eBay for the last few years, which is why I really try to avoid buying anything now and have to just accept it when something breaks that can't be repaired by myself.

I've used cheap keyboards for years, never had a problem with them for the most part, but that might be because I often bought cheap China crap in the first place. I think the IBM keyboards I have been using for the last few years were probably worth a few pence more than the ones I usually rely on though, and they'be been good, they're also the only USB keyboards I have ever seen that don't have Windows keys. Laptop keyboards I just use the cheapest board that fits as they're generally horrible anyway.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-09 1:30 PM (#220 - in reply to #219)
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eBay are just too darn expensive all in all. And it's a shame that things are drying up now. Personally I am happy now, that I have a nice collection of the top dogs amoungst non-3d MS-Dos compatible PCI cards. You know... Those that delivers the best compatibility and gives some of the best performance and image quality in pure Dos on TFT screens. They are: CL-5446 (2mb), S3-325 (2mb), S3-Trio64v+ (2mb) and now the ET-6000. So I guess my collection of PCI cards for something like 120/133mhz-486 class to Pentium-166/233mhz. Just a shame that I did not manage to buy that 3dFX Banshee PCI that was up for sale, at a price of 8 british pounds and 61 pence. (shipping not included). Regarding GFX cards, I am actually just missing these, for my collection to be finished.

- Voodoo Banshee.
- Voodoo Rush.
- Voodoo3-1000, 2000 and 3000.
- Geforce256.
- Geforce3 (just one of them)
- CL-5428-VLB (with maxed out mem)
- Trident-9440 (with maxed out mem)

As for motherboards, I am only missing a socket3 board that has no PCI. Only ISA and 3 VLB slots. And perhaps a Socket-370 with ISA that can do 1.4 tualatin's. And as for soundcards, I am not really missing anything other than more Audician32's, a SB-Pro 2.0 and a couple of Aztech's (my first card was an Aztech) The final parts that I am missing, are a couple of 7200rpm SCSI HDD's and 2 AT cases. Yeah... Then I have managed to build up a collection that show's the evolution of the PC from early/mid-80's to around some 2001 or something like that. GUS cards and Voodoo4/5 cards some might ask? Naaaa.... Too darn expensive for my taste. Though it is no secret, that if I was being offered some of them for free, I would never say no. They are after all kind of iconic, in terms of hardware evolution. Would I use them for gaming as such? Probably not. I would take them for a testdrive once a while, though the software library that are specific to those cards, are just too small and something else will do the job better in most cases. Gus are the king of sound between 1992 and 1993 and the Voodoo5 cards were the king of GFX in only about 2 months after they were released. Yeah....

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-11 2:34 PM (#221 - in reply to #220)
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What's special about the Trident TGUI9440? I have six PCI TGUI9440-1's but haven't really tested them as yet, they're cheap Pine/XFX boards so they look a bit tacky and the memory upgrade sockets are empty. I may be willing to part with one if you want it. Isn't the Audician 32 just a generic 719? Shouldn't be too hard to find I wouldn't think, but I haven't looked for anything like that in a long time. Aztech seems to have gained a following in recent years, I still don't understand that, never had one that worked well. I understand you wanting one though because of the nostalgia factor.

Currently rendering some stuff, then I'm going to upload some stuff (might take a couple of days). I am also tampering with the forum to get rid of the automated accounts which sign up, luckily they seem unable to actually use the board and only register, I have a few tricks to deal with such things. Oddly, Chrome identifies the registration page as a "Payment" page, which I have no explanation for, because the only person being billed is me, though the server is efficient enough that it's just pennies. Outside of that, I might make a start on rebuilding my K5, looks like I'll be using an Abit PT5 board for that now. Spec should be about the same as before but I'm not sure I have the Virge any more, I am also doubtful that I will install the Orchid Righteous 3D again as I never used it and it served to do little more than break compatibility and cause blue screens. Hmm, I also don't think I have another ISA voice modem to hand because the one I used in there was in the K6.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-12 12:10 AM (#223 - in reply to #221)
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Ahhh... Forgot to write, that it's the VLB version that I am after. Hehe. Yeah. The PCI edition is pretty cheap and easy to come by. I have seen a couple of the PCI editions online locally, and I thnk I need to get one of them as well. Not that they are are anything special in terms of PCI cards, just that they were sold in quite a number back in the day's. You know. As a cheap alternative. So they will fit nicely into my collection wich are focused on what people actually used back throughout the 80's and 90's.

Shure I have some parts that are standing out, such as Voodoo3-3500, and AWE64-Gold. Nobody in Denmark really had money for those product's back when they were new, because they were somewhat in between when people upgraded their stuff. Most people bought a computer around 95/96, going for mid range stuff, because of pricing and not going for the top line. Then people started upgrading those machines around 2000/2001, and yet again going for the mid range stuff.

K5 you say.... Hmmm.... Looking forward to see that machine, if you get it up and running. :-) It's actually funny that you have all them trouble with Voodoo's. I understand if they are not really you'r kind of hardware. Yet I have had zero issues with my Orchid V1. They just need the correct drivers, or they will give you a hard time. Personally I don't use my V1 eighter, other than for one single title. That is NFS2-SE, and running it on V2-SLI gives a better result. So yeah... I only have my Orchid V1 for collection purpouses. It is part of history, and therefore belongs in my collection. Also, why I only have one in my collection.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-12 2:34 PM (#224 - in reply to #223)
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I still don't mind mailing you one of my PCI ones, I'm not likely to use all of them, my K5 build has already displaced one because I'll be using a Virge or Mach64 in that.

Most UK hardware was the cheapest stuff too, I think we had the money in the 90s but people were too busy buying council houses and starting shady businesses to go around buying computers. Also the disposal of them here has always been more inclined to destruction than recycling until recent years.

I'm still hesitant on the K5 and though I'm assembling it, I still keep trying to fix the old Pine motherboard as I really liked it. Only time will tell I guess.




That aside, first video uploaded, cleaning a rather dirty 486SX. Feel free to skip through it as I don't expect anyone to watch the whole thing. Personally I'd check out the dirt and then skip to 39 minutes to see the motherboard, which is most dirty, being cleaned and the cards which were already clean by that point.

Part of the reason I did this is because I've had people debate if this method works over the years, so now I am going to prove that it does. Also, proof that dust can be a good thing under certain conditions. I shall update in the future if it works when re-assembled, though I'd imagine it does. My second video is now uploading, but it may take another day or two on my connection, it is also likely to affect forum load times due to how things work around here (this whole city relies on a very old, massively under engineered backbone) so yeah, sorry about that. Hopefully it goes quick and there aren't too many service drop-outs in the process. Some day I'll make a video about the internet in Hull, I've had a script for it lying around for months now.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-12 7:13 PM (#225 - in reply to #224)
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Yes... Finally. A GF3-ti200. According to the seller, it is with 128mb. I have no clue on to how to spot that.
Now I need not to search for more Geforce's, if this one is indeed in working state. Looks ok though.
I found it locally online, and offered the equivelant of 14.30 US Dollars including shipping. He accepted.





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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-12 7:31 PM (#226 - in reply to #71)
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DXZeff:

Been looking at the way you clean the hardware, and that is one of the right way's to do it. My aproach is just a tiny bit different, as I shower my parts (using the shower-head/water-sprayer) in clean cold water. You know... Fully opened for the water, max water preasure, and if that does not cut it, I use lukewarm water.
If that for some reason does not cut it, I make a bath of the same kind of soap that you are using, and mix some alcohol into it.
If that does not cut it, my last option is to use pure alcohol, cue tips and cutton pads. Sounds like a makeup kit... Uhhh wait... Computers are our girlfriends.

Anyway.... Good video. We had snow too, on monday/tuesday this week.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-13 3:04 AM (#227 - in reply to #71)
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Whilst I think I've been around GeForce 3 cards, I can't say I've ever used one. They weren't common here, most people I knew owned ATI cards (Or rubbish SiS ones) when the GeForce 2 was around and completely ignored it, I also remember it gaining several negative reviews in magazines at the time, though I suspect drivers may have been to blame as I definitely remember one magazine looking back and saying they had been wrong well into the life of the GeForce 4. The GeForce 4 was very popular, though mostly the MX, which were just modified GeForce 2 cards. In short, if I did use a GeForce 3 at any point, I don't remember and it certainly wasn't in my machine.

With cleaning things I did use the shower in the old house, but this place doesn't have one. Having run out of alcohol I ended up using lighter fuel to remove the small patch of stubborn corrosion the next day, attacking it with a toothbrush. It should be dry soon and the case is clean now, though I still need to vacuum the PSU. I have figured out how the weird turbo display works, it's strange but neat. I don't remember if I noted how it doesn't connect to the turbo switch, but it does connect to the reset switch in the video, though either way, that's how it is wired. What happens is, you hold the reset button down and the display counts up until you let go. The single lead going to the motherboard is connected to the LED header's ground pin, the display board powers the LED and can then be programmed via the reset switch again to display whatever speed is required in that state. Obviously, "HI" and "LO" cannot be displayed, though it is a three digit display... Somewhat redundant in a 25MHz system and I'm not entirely sure 100MHz chips were out when it was built, I guess they were just thinking ahead and probably used the same display board in many different systems.
In amongst rambling I cut from the video I remarked somewhere that much like women, it seems these things often require accessories to be bought, time to be invested and destruction of friendships if you want them to hang around. But I dunno, I always preferred to compare my microwave to a woman - I reasoned that my microwave is possibly better anyway because it cooks things when I tell it to cook things. On a somewhat related note, I now have the fun of inventing names for these when I connect them to the network. Not decided yet, the K5 will probably just keep Katyusha when I finish work on it, the Unichip 486SX I don't know at all. As for the Deskpro 560 XL, I am leaning towards "Chiana" for that, if you don't immediately know what TV series the name comes from I will be disappointed.

My K5 is kicking, I have repaired the PT-7502 motherboard (Yay!) after tracing my problems to a voltage regulator that always ran hot. I don't know what was wrong with it, but I had an equivalent one on a dead board, now it runs cold. The board actually brings up POST almost instantly (It used to take a few seconds) so I'd be willing to be the stability issues I was having before I took it apart for repair all that time ago are probably history. Unfortunately my SCSI card isn't playing ball, so I either need a new one or to go with IDE, which I may do as it was always quick enough anyway. I also did go with a Mach64, even if it does mean I lose a bit of speed in DOS, it was an insanely fast machine in most games, so I think I can afford the hit, I can always go back to the Virge if it causes me problems but it always spent most of its time in Windows 95 anyway.



My final notes for tonight are, Video #2 is published, but I have to sleep so I will have to wait until tomorrow to fix some of the metadata stuff. It's unimportant metadata stuff though.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-13 5:40 PM (#228 - in reply to #227)
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Sweet.... Good job on repairing that board. It allways feel so good, when these kind of things succeed.
I see we are cleaning stuff nearly the same way after all. Yeah.... This is by far the easiest way to do things like that.

As for me, I did something today. Got my hands dirty as well (oh my, it was dirty inside the lid)
I have reported this on another forum as well, so a simple copy/paste will do this time.

I know the computer is not that old, yet it is going to be my daily driver from now on.
I changed the LCD panel in this lovely Thinkpad R61. Yeah....
The picture with the fresh panel, has not yet had the bezel re-attached. It is now.
The procedure is not really that complicated.

- Take off the bezel. (5 screws)
- Deattach the flat-cabels behind the screen and one plug located behind the pcb below the screen.
- Remove 4 screws from the rods that are connected to the hinges.
- Remove a fresh free'ed lcd panel.
- Do everything clockwise.

The first picture is the damage on the old panel, the second is the screen being tested.

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Robman
Posted 2017-02-14 4:10 AM (#229 - in reply to #228)
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I always thought water was the mortal enemy of circuit boards, so I've done my best to keep the two separate.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-14 12:11 PM (#231 - in reply to #229)
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Robman - 2017-02-14 6:10 AM

I always thought water was the mortal enemy of circuit boards, so I've done my best to keep the two separate.


If the hardware is not dry, then yes. And in some cases it will result in rust. Just a matter of drying the parts correctly. Saltwater or sugar water is mortal enemies. As well as acid or bases.

Cola and rum are poison to keyboards. Saw that once om a laptop that had been at a party and someone spilled a drink on it.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-14 3:51 PM (#232 - in reply to #231)
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Hell yeah it feels good to have that board back, people laugh at PC Chips a lot, but the M520 obliterates every other 430VX motherboard I have ever used. I'm just hoping the cache module holds up, the PCI slot seems to be working again though and the strange noises I was getting out of sound cards are gone - they're also louder, as I popped the SB16 back in when testing for issues, as that was what it had when the problems started. Perhaps the VR was pulling the power down too far but only so far into the board that it couldn't be observed easily at the PSU? Who knows, but it seems it was doing something to screw up the rest of the board. Here's hoping it remains stable. I also fixed my Chaintech 5VGM M101 which, at this stage, is my only dual-voltage capable board, but it is missing an RTC (Chip with external battery, not that Dallas muck) right now, I may use that for something later depending on how my Intel branded (Only runs Pentium MMX chips) 430TX turns out if I ever get time to play with that again.

Lovely job on that screen, if I didn't know you'd done it I'd say it looked like a factory job. The dimwit who did mine bent something and it presses on the edge of the screen when the laptop is moved.

@Robman; You have to be somewhat careful as obviously not everything can be cleaned this way and there must be no power anywhere - no batteries, no accumulated charge in capacitors - or else it might just break.
I find milk to be the absolute worst for electronics, instant death. I have once spilt milk on a sound card, an ALS120 that wasn't even plugged in. I rinsed it off and let it dry completely, but it was dead. A friend did the same to his modem and it completely paper-weighted. I don't know what is in it, but electronics sure don't like it.

By contrast I once had a keyboard, one I liked very much. I spilt cola in it, I spilt beer in it, I vomited in it and it kept going. It grew cress seed and fungus at one time and still didn't care. Then one day, I accidentally dropped just one tiny droplet of water when cleaning my desk... It stopped working completely. Funny how things like that happen sometimes.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-15 4:59 PM (#234 - in reply to #232)
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Thanks. I broken two taps on the bezel/frame, when I took it off to get to that LCD panel. Nothing a bit of clear tape can't fix though.

I forgot to mention, that the keyboard wich died from cola and rum, was one of those in cheap laptops in 2005. It became all green on the backside.

Edited by Brostenen 2017-02-15 5:03 PM
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