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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-06 11:24 PM (#453 - in reply to #452)
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I thought Token Ring used 9-Pin connectors? I've never actually used it in real life so don't know. 15-Pin Thick Ethernet I have played with as we still had some where I worked, damn stiff cables, bloody vampires, nuisance.

Unknown, but my first guess was it controlled some equipment. My second guess, seeing the encryption was something like cash registers or card terminals as you have thought. It would make sense for them to communicate over Ethernet I suppose and I'm sure I've seen pin pads using it, so it doesn't seem unlikely that an older card reader would leverage existing technology too.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-06 11:36 PM (#454 - in reply to #453)
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Well you have coax token ring too. Apple called it "thinwire" though I don't know if there's was token bus or not, but i'd bet it probably was. Arcnet is what I am most familiar with in terms of a "token ring" or "token bus" network that used coax.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-06 11:37 PM (#455 - in reply to #453)
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Token. 9-Pin? Hmmm... Well. I must admit that I have absolutely no idea how they looked, and that they were 9-Pin.
I was just asuming it was 15-pin, because of the 15-pin connectors found on regulair isa network cards.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-06 11:55 PM (#456 - in reply to #452)
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I have never messed with thick ethernet so I can't say if this is really the case or not, but I would guess this particular card is probably designed in connect multiple computers together. It looks like something designed in the 286 era so.. who knows.. could maybe have been part of a voice mail system too I guess. The coax on the back could be "thick coax" ethernet too, which would probably make sense given this seems to be an ethernet card. I am use to the coax being associated with coax token networks so that is just the term that sticks in by brain even though it might not be totally right in this case...
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-07 2:04 AM (#457 - in reply to #71)
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Well many things arrived today in the mail. Both dual S370 boards showed up, although as of writing this I have only unboxed one of them, which turned out to be the VP6 board. Guy shipped the board with heatsinks attatched, and as one would expect, one of the hold down clamps on the heatsinks broke, so now I have 2 basically worthless intel coolers now, though I may try some epoxy on the clips. I will be testing both boards tonight.

As far as the Xeon goes, the VRM's also showed up, and still no post, nor heat radiating from the processors, though the chipset gets warm as does the adaptec controller so, the board is getting power, just not the processors. I dug up some information specific to the 600Mhz and higher P3 Xeons which I think explains why I am getting no power - The Pentium® III XeonTM processor at 700 MHz and 900 MHz system bus definition uses the SC330.1 interface. The SC330.1 interface is an electrical only enhancement to the SC330 (formerly Slot2) interface , running at 100 MHz system bus frequency. The SC330.1 specification adds the required flexibility to , and 900 MHz with the new SC330.1 bus specification. The Pentium® III XeonTM processor at 700 MHz and , either 5 Volts or 12 Volts. The new flexible motherboard specification that incorporates the SC330.1

Per the manual for this C440GX+ motherboard - Pentium III Xeon processor featuring a 100MHz FSB SC330 interface, starting at a 500 MHz core, 512KB cache, in an SECC2 cartridge. This is also referred to as “CPU” or “processor” in this document.

It looks like Chipzilla changed the electrical specifications of the Slot 2 processors starting at 600Mhz ( which is when they introduced SC330.1 apparently ) so I am guessing this is why I am having a no show from the combination. The manual also states that : Pentium III Xeon
processor operate at core speeds starting at 500 MHz and higher as they become available. This leads me to think it should work but it sure doesn't seem to be. Only way I can know for sure I guess is to acquire some 500's .

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-07 2:35 AM (#458 - in reply to #457)
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Sounds about right. I mean, it's the first I've heard of it, but this is "Chipzilla" after all and they've had a history of doing things like that before, and since when you think about it. When you think about it, the very fact the processors use a different slot is probably little more than a price jacking scheme, considering my P6DGU uses the same chipset and therefore, the Pentium II/III and Xeon can't be that much different with regards to interfacing with the system, and that chipset has no real problem operating Pentium III's at 1100MHz despite probably never being meant to. PowerLeap made a Slot 2 adapter which allowed Socket 370 processors, up to Tualatin, to work in Slot 2 which doesn't look very complicated, making my suspicions much stronger.

Now you see why I was waiting for you to build it first, now I know this is something I need to look for that I would likely otherwise have missed. I am guessing that this problem cannot be fixed by BIOS updates as the term "electrical" makes me think there must be some physical differences in regards to how things are wired and I doubt they used programmable pins for future updates - I'm thinking of the Pentium OverDrive and how Intel didn't give the final specs to board makers, meaning some boards did not work with this promised upgrade in the end.

I don't know if you ever noticed, but with me mentioning user titles before, there's actually a joke at Chipzilla's expense in the list around the 1000 posts marker, poking fun at how things went at the time the Athlon came out. At 999 posts the title changes to Pentium III but it is lost almost instantly when 1000 switches it to Athlon. I should alter it to only one/two days difference, given that the 1GHz Athlon came out only that far before the equivalent P3. That was a legendary slap in the face and though I was only just getting into computers properly, I found it hilarious at the time. Me and a friend still yell "Dave Gardner!" at one another occasionally because of it, especially with the initial disappointment of the P4.


Ha, things like that don't really happen so much anymore. It was only two years after the whole Mozilla stomps IE drama came about.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-07 5:00 AM (#459 - in reply to #458)
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I've always loved that commercial. I remember before that came out it was a very commonly asked question why AMD didn't advertise on TV like Intel did. I always thought that one reason Chipzilla had such a large market share was due to their constant advertising and their little, what would you call it, jingle? with the Intel Inside logo which later changed to Pentium Inside or Pentium 2 etc that was also associated with PC maker's ad's whether it was on TV or print. I did like some of the blue man group commercials though. The one Athlon chip that is very rare and expensive is the Slot A Thunderbird 1Ghz chip. The "K75" Slot A 1Ghz chips are almost equally as rare and expensive, though with it's 1/3 cache divider, it's certainly hindered by the speed of L2 cache. The Slot A processor from that $10 lot of parts I bought is a 750 Thunderbird chip. I wish I still had one of my "goldfinger" overclockers to demonstrate in a video. Those things are just not around anymore apparently I guess. If I could find the parts, I could build one as the original designs are still online, but I have no idea who would sell that little socket now days if anyone does. I had a couple of those things, but the really nice one I had not only changed multipliers but also changed voltage as well and it had it's own vr and 4 pin molex for power. It was interesting that AMD underclocked a lot of those slot A chips, putting a 650Mhz core in their 550 or 600Mhz chips as an example. That was an interesting secret I think has probably been lost.

The upper half the the Xeon chips appear to have a lot of voltage regulation going on. I am not really sure why Intel chose to do that with the Xeon chips, if it created more stable power supply to the L2 cache and the processor core, or if it was just one of those "tricks" chipzilla did to make the Xeon seem like a totally different processor from the standard P3. I'll say though, as rare as it seems to be to find a slot 2 motherboard, other than the Dell or SGI boards that is, it's got to be even rarer still to find the proper board to run these 330.1 slot versions. The 500/550 1MB cache chips are cheap enough, but damn, I'd like to run these nicer chips... at least for the time being that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless I am missing something small, but I am not sure what that could be. I've checked over the jumpers and they are all correct and default for what is shown in the manual.

So far both dual S370 boards seem to be working fine. The VP6 has suffered a sheering-off of one of it's center socket ears to hold the heatsink. It should be ok though using the clip style that has the 3 lug holes to grab ahold of when installed into a case. The VP6 has several more bios options than the ACORP board, as I would expect from ABIT of this time period of motherboards, but the ACORP board is decent enough and clocks up to 160Mhz bus speed. ACORP used a Promise Fasttrak100 controller while ABIT used the highpoint controller. Highpoint is a good controller but I do like Promise controllers a bit better. ACORP board came with 512MB of CL2 PC 133 crucial, just like the P2B-DS, so that's also good to get more CL2 PC133 memory.

I did receive a full refund today for the Matrox card. I was prepared to send the card back but they just sent a refund instead. Funny they waited till the last day of the refund request before I could have ebay step in and settle it.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-07 3:25 PM (#460 - in reply to #459)
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Got some better pictures of the hardware that were inside them two machines. They are actually looking like they are in good shape. Though some scuff marks on that Unisys machine. Is to expected from 24 year old hardware.

Both machines smelled of cooking oil and perfume, so I guess prevous owner lived in a small apartment without ventilation in the kitchen.
The K6-II-350 (yes it was a 350) was dirty, so I gave it a good clean. Especially the case and cables.
The Unisys has indeed an dx33 upgrade, 12mb Ram, 8xCD-Rom and an unknown size 50-Pin SCSI-II harddrive.
I will not have time for testing it all out, untill friday next week, or something like that. Though testing I will be doing that day...



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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-07 4:15 PM (#461 - in reply to #460)
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I sort of doubt the K6 system was originally built with the K6-2-350 chip. I'd bet it was originally a K6-233 chip that the guy upgraded to the K6-2 chip without understanding those chips are 100Mhz bus and on this particular board being limited to 3.5x multiplier wouldn't have any performance boost over the regular K6-233 without overclocking the bus to 75/83. The Millennium 1 card would be a good card to pair with a Voodoo.

The scuff on the corner of the Unisys 486 will probably come off with some "goo gone" or even some WD40. I am not sure if you will see a big difference on this system by upgrading to a DX2/66 chip, the Packard Bell 486 I had was a very similarly built system, minus the scsi of course, and it was a real dog even with a DX2/66, ET4000 and adding cache to the motherboard. It didn't perform any better after all of that than it did with a DX-33 and the onboard video. However I would still give it a try and see.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-07 7:42 PM (#462 - in reply to #461)
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Yeah, I've gotten scuffs like that out with nothing more than good old elbow grease before now. Enough rubbing with a damp soapy sponge and it will probably clean up.

I have located some of my worst hardware today and am considering using some of it;
MSI Slot 1 Celeron board with Intel i810 chipset, internal graphics and onboard ES1370. My Trident Blade T64. Two Aztech sound cards, one PCI and another ISA with a radio card attached. The Celeron board I wanted, because I always planned to get it running and build the "Solitaire Machine" as a testament to how machines should never be built. Will probably post pictures at a later time.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-07 8:25 PM (#463 - in reply to #461)
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waybacktech - 2017-04-07 6:15 PM

I sort of doubt the K6 system was originally built with the K6-2-350 chip. I'd bet it was originally a K6-233 chip that the guy upgraded to the K6-2 chip without understanding those chips are 100Mhz bus and on this particular board being limited to 3.5x multiplier wouldn't have any performance boost over the regular K6-233 without overclocking the bus to 75/83. The Millennium 1 card would be a good card to pair with a Voodoo.

The scuff on the corner of the Unisys 486 will probably come off with some "goo gone" or even some WD40. I am not sure if you will see a big difference on this system by upgrading to a DX2/66 chip, the Packard Bell 486 I had was a very similarly built system, minus the scsi of course, and it was a real dog even with a DX2/66, ET4000 and adding cache to the motherboard. It didn't perform any better after all of that than it did with a DX-33 and the onboard video. However I would still give it a try and see.



Yeah.... 86(something) and 3.0 multiplier is max. I found the manual for it.
Regarding the Unisys. I think I will make it a dx2-66 and keep the S3-805 wich are onboard.
Hope that it is somehow connected onboard through some kind of VLB internal design.
I know the 5-slot model has VLB slots, so it could possible be that this has it internally and no slots.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-07 8:35 PM (#464 - in reply to #462)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-07 9:42 PM

Yeah, I've gotten scuffs like that out with nothing more than good old elbow grease before now. Enough rubbing with a damp soapy sponge and it will probably clean up.

I have located some of my worst hardware today and am considering using some of it;
MSI Slot 1 Celeron board with Intel i810 chipset, internal graphics and onboard ES1370. My Trident Blade T64. Two Aztech sound cards, one PCI and another ISA with a radio card attached. The Celeron board I wanted, because I always planned to get it running and build the "Solitaire Machine" as a testament to how machines should never be built. Will probably post pictures at a later time.


810 you say.... Hmmm. I have a Compaq that are based on this chipset, running with an TNT2-M64 PCI card, as this does not have AGP slot. The 815 chipset is another story. I have this Intel d815eea2 motherboard, wich are so awesomme. Stable and running a Socket370 933mhz CPU. 512mb Ram, YMF-724 and GF2-GTS-64mb. Sometimes I run it with a GF3-ti200-128mb. I think the 810 chipset are best as a productivity platform, and not a gaming platform.

Other than that... Really looking forward to see pictures of all these P3 builds that you all are going to build.
Nothing like a good load of hardware pr0n.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-07 10:51 PM (#465 - in reply to #71)
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K6 and Intel MMX processors equate the 1.5x multiplier set by the motherboard jumpers as 3.5 Many motherboards will actually call out the jumper setting as 1.5/3.5
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-07 11:20 PM (#466 - in reply to #465)
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That and the K6-2+ mapped 2.0x to 6.0x for whatever reason. Sure there was at least one other remap with at least one more CPU, but I do not remember what it was now.

Pentium 3!? No, no, that's not the solitaire machine way, I want a Celeron 266. The 815 is a good chipset in its own right and I have two of those D815 boards that I use for testing, but the original 810 was legendary for having problems as well as the entire Celeron platform being a blatant rip-off early on. Anyway, here's the horrible board;


Complete with silkscreen oddity.


A shit Aztech "Sound Card" and "Radio" card I'd only use as a last resort, and even then I'd be hesitant. I have the missing backplate for the radio device.


Another Aztech "Sound Card" thing.


One CNR modem. Don't think I have any boards in use with CNR at present.


A strange little Super 7 board with MVP4 chipset, but no AGP and it is precarious at best. Always considered turning it into a Cyrix machine, like a kind of 1999/2000 super-budget machine.


Finally some good hardware, hoping to put this back in use soon.


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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-08 1:34 AM (#467 - in reply to #466)
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I have been considering a Celeron 266 myself, if for no other reason than it is a novelty, and I would like to compare it to a PII-266 with L2 disabled to see if the performance ends up being identical ( which I feel like it should be ) or not. I decided instead a couple days ago to buy a 300A slot 1 processor, as it holds sort of a legend status, and it was freaking dirt cheap. I have some 333a's in slot 1, and others in 370 but never owned the legend before. I am not sure what Phil ( i know you don't like him, one day you'll have to tell me why you guys have beef between ya ) payed for his Celeron 300 but those seem to be rare and more pricey than the 266 or even the 300a which I found interesting.

That motherboard looks like the caps are starting to go all nipply on the tops there, unless it is just lighting and camera angle making them look like that You realize that Aztec card with the radio tuner is ISA right? cause that motherboard aint got no isa slots Unless I am missing something?

the "Azfin" card looks like a Turtle Beach Vortex 2 knock-off card

MVP4... never had the pleasure...

I think Tillamook remapped the multiplier too. Not 100% sure at this time on that though, I'd have to dig it out and try it, but I think it remaps 2x multiplier to 4x to achieve 266Mhz.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-08 2:15 AM (#468 - in reply to #467)
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Yeah, the old overclock a Celeron 300 trick, I understand this was once quite popular and some could attain 450MHz whilst outrunning most Pentium 2 systems. I'm trying to make something horrible on purpose which is why I want a Covington 266 processor, they weren't expensive last I looked and I doubt there is really any demand for them. I did have a Celeron 300 but it spontaneously broke years ago, no overheat, no board problem, no nothing, it just froze up and didn't work again. Probably karma for taking it from work I guess (In my defense, I had upgraded the system it came from to a P2-400) or it was just defect. The Tiny branded machine it came from was always unstable, but I always put that down to the horrible MSI boards they used... Possibly that same model I have but it was too long ago to remember.

Capacitors are leaky and prevent the board from running properly, it was like that when I got it a few years ago. I smelled it before I saw it, the distinctive aroma of electrolytic fluid and it was probably why it was at the bottom of a box doing nothing. I do not plan on using the Aztech card in here, or at all for that matter if I can help it. I intend to use the onboard audio for maximum crappiness. I was wrong earlier because this one has Intel audio, it is the Socket 370 version I have that features the ES1370, a solution I rate even lower than the Aztech though perhaps a little higher than the awful Intel implementation, but that's a tricky one to make my mind up on. The Azfin card is quite primitive, it offers basic functionality which was typical for the time as well as a rather unreliable Sound Blaster compatibility mode.

When I was using the MVP4 board I never noticed any real difference over the MVP3 really, it just doesn't have AGP, offering an internal Blade3D instead. I wouldn't be surprised if it was essentially a scaled down MVP3 targeted at cheaper systems or OEMs.

May as well add that my Pentium OverKill is properly ironed out now, complete with MPEG decoding and a working boot manager which no longer prevents CD-ROM drives working in Windows 95. Now it's just driver problems in Windows 3.11 where I've changed sound and video cards, and I know the OS well enough that I can probably do most of that directly from SYSTEM.INI quite quickly tomorrow aside from what I need to fix in the DOS environment. Need to think whether I want another gimmick other than the SoundScape or not, maybe the WinTV CinemaPro, but I will probably leave that in the K5 despite the POD being a kind of alternate reality version of my P66 (Which has the WinTV Celebrity) due to them both (P66 & POD) being meant as the replacement for my original Socket 4 machine. To be honest, I think it's awkward enough already and a VIP board with MPEG card, S-2000 and dual-boot manager is probably far enough. I have also learned that the CT1470's speaker amplifier imposes a slight delay on the signal, if you tap both outputs at the same time, one from the jumper and one from the rear socket, they play sounds out of time with each other. It makes me think they're converting the signal back to digital to amplify it which could explain the excessive noise levels some people have noted when using this card.

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Robman
Posted 2017-04-08 5:50 AM (#469 - in reply to #71)
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how the hell do I attach an image and display it?

Apparently I figured it out. Odd way of doing things.
This forum needs something to fix having to slide side to side to read posts when a larger image has been posted on the page as I'm using my laptop.
Oh and Celerons suck :D

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-08 1:42 PM (#470 - in reply to #469)
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A lot of forums act that way. I can't do much about the resizing issue without seriously altering the forum code and that would break other things down the line, I'd rather just encourage people to post sensible sized images instead. I'll look into it at some point but I am not confident that anything can be done about it.

The term High Treason has a long history, but in my case it was chosen because it was the last crime to carry a death penalty in the UK, unfortunately... still, without the EU there's less reason to hang onto the ECHR so we might bring it back yet, have to see what the coming years hold.
Well, anyway, yeah, that and nobody could pronounce DXZeff.

Had to refrain from going on a long rant about the justice system for a moment there. Despite the band having some negative connotations in certain circles, I'll just let Combat 84 explain it for me;
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-09 10:12 AM (#471 - in reply to #470)
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Well.... Death penalty or not. The answer is not that straight forward when you ask every person on the planet.
Personally I do not believe in the death penalty, as I think it belongs in the middle ages.
So yeah.. Uhmm... We are all different on that question.

My personal view on that, is that it is the only penalty every human can pay, thus making it the most easy to pay.
In that perspective, this is the easiest one to pay. So no real penalty in that.

Nono... The real penalty, that will sting, is an isolation penalty. Much like the one Elisabeth Bathory paid.
That one will sting the most. And again... I think that isolation is torture in it self.
Yet... It is one that really going to hurt the most of all. That is a real penalty and not that death penalty.

To me, death penalty is more about society and the punisher, feeling better about them self than what the
punishment means to the one that did the chrime. It smells more of revenge than punishment, compared
to isolation, that are more about punishing someone than making you feel better about getting rid of someone.
If you want to punish hard, you better damn be shure that it is a real punishment. After all... What's the point?

In most cases. It is better to make shure, that a person get's punished and then build up again, in order
to not do the chrime again. Not safe if the one we thrust in keeping us safe, will put a dangereous person out
between us again. The person might do it again, and then we will have to use money again, on a court and
on prison time again... And thus the circle of wasted resources/money continues.

If the person can not be deemed safe and are not safe, then it is better to have that person locked up
for a real punishment for the rest of the life. Yeah.... Have to stop. As I feel I am getting into some real
flaming here... And I could go on and on, baffeling about this. Sorry for making it so long.

In a fun and amusing way... One could call the death penalty a pussy penalty compared to real isolation.
(just a joke, hope you understand my humour)

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-09 4:48 PM (#472 - in reply to #471)
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Seems well reasoned to me, the only issue I take with such ideas are the cost to the tax payer, although I'm sure it could be done cheaply without the current hotel-like way the jails are run.

Back on topic...
...Actually I got nothing. I was going to post some POD stuff but it just broke again. Rarely have I had a machine this stubborn, it has been over two years since I started building it and it's still not running.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-10 4:08 PM (#473 - in reply to #472)
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Well the benchmarks have been ran on the Acorp 6A815EPD motherboard. Quite a good board. Limited bios though, no voltage adjustments, just clock. Doesn't seem to understand PC133 CL2 memory is installed and I had to force the option as well as 133Mhz memory speed, so it gives a nice warning about "cl3 recommended" Overall, performance is on par with the P2B-DS, but slightly under. Feels like a solid board though, considering it was a low cost dual cpu motherboard back in 2001/2002. I had absolutely no issues at all with it. I think, from benchmarks I have come across, the VP6 is going to outperform both boards, at least in Quake 3 by a healthy amount.

Finally got that Athlon64 system customer dropped off finished. Ya he actually wanted to fix it lol shocked me. Never the less, 1 replacement motherboard ( not new obviously ) later, still no post, dead cold processor still. Well as it turned out, dead processor. This will mark the first time I have experienced a dead processor that remained cold. In the past they still heated up, intel or amd. I don't know if the old board is still any good or if it took out the processor when whatever happened, happened to the system. Had an Athlon 3200 S754 chip, now has the 3300 I used in a faceoff awhile ago. XP64 bit and a screwed up installation of Mint are the operating systems installed. Those CCL bulbs sure are bright.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-10 4:28 PM (#474 - in reply to #473)
Subject: Re: Recently Played/Bought/Messed with



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My bulbs are very old and thus, dishearteningly dim by comparison. I'm not too surprised by them wanting it fixed, I still know someone who refuses to part with their S754 Athlon 64 machine and they use it on a daily basis.

Turns out my old S3 Scenic is broken. I had initially suspected the P66 was throwing a fit since the TV card was installed and perhaps something had even broken, but no - still, this is almost good news as I'd rather have problems with a peripheral than the motherboard and I have another MVP1100 to take its place. The old one did have some problems in that it ran much hotter than the second one and the internal audio didn't always work properly, so I don't think it was anything I did, more that "untested" hardware I bought was likely on its last legs when I got it. I'm tired of the POD for the time being anyway, considering doing away with my dual boot as it causes nothing but trouble and is incredibly precarious, but I'm leaving it alone for a while. Perhaps it is time I finished work on that 486SX I cleaned up a while ago, I have the batteries for the Turbo display and a spare CF card that I can use for it.

Meanwhile I have to wonder if the POD should run 3.11 or 95. Due to the difficult nature of it, I'm leaning more towards 95 because it is easier to fix and seems more resilient to the machines tantrum throwing. Whilst it is essentially the 486 counterpart of my P66 and should probably run 3.11 as a result, it seems to work better under 95 and also seems to have undisclosed PNP support. Performance is generally high enough and whilst my original target was "1994 system" territory I don't think installing 95 is a bad thing, I had to break that rule elsewhere so it barely matters by this point, besides, upgrades were always a thing. On the down-side, I now have to figure out that damn SoundScape clone working again, pain in the ass and requires custom ROMs which aren't out in the open on the install disks, but the install disks don't support 95 meaning I have to modify a generic driver. Honestly, I know the SoundScape is sought after, but it's a truly horrible card most of the time.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-10 5:52 PM (#475 - in reply to #474)
Subject: Re: Recently Played/Bought/Messed with



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The scenic card took a dump already huh? that kind of sucks since it is a unique add-on, but yes I would agree, far better that than the motherboard given how rare those sis socket 4 motherboards are. I was bidding on one a couple weeks ago but I couldn't get my bid in fast enough at the last few seconds, so I didn't win it. It was a different brand than yours.

I was wondering if you had done any more work on the 486sx box. I personally don't think that video should be hidden. The amount of people that ask me questions about washing motherboards and other components tells me that, even through I have shown that in past videos myself, is still a worthwhile video to demonstrate the "procedure" . I would even say you should start a thread on this forum just for listing your unpublished Youtube videos.

One compromise you might consider is, running program manager instead of explorer if you go with 95 on the POD. Then you would at least retain the look and feel of 3.11.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-10 8:45 PM (#476 - in reply to #475)
Subject: Re: Recently Played/Bought/Messed with



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Since we were talking about flashdisks awhile ago, I thought Paul you might be interested in seeing this. There are a few of these on ebay actually, but this is the cheapest. I'm not sure how useful it would be but interesting to see one of these non the less.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROMDISK-III-Solid-State-Disk-Emulator-ROM-...



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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-10 10:31 PM (#477 - in reply to #476)
Subject: Re: Recently Played/Bought/Messed with



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Have seen them too. Though I think it is cheaper to get one of them XT IDE adaptor/cards instead.
I am wondering about the speed of them.
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