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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-26 6:24 PM (#397 - in reply to #394)
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Have you ran any cache or memory testing programs? I'd be curious if it can make it through a pass of memtest86 without going red all over. I wonder too if there could be something wrong with the AGP slot since your problems came back after swapping video cards. 32mb radeon 7000 pci cards are pretty cheap and should be just as good in this system as a rage 128 agp. Just an idea.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-27 2:41 PM (#398 - in reply to #397)
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Ran Memtest86, pass. It shows "Unknown" for L2 Cache however.
The Radeon VE from my Dual P3 (The one which was replaced by the Quadro 2) is a good card, basically the 7000 before the 7000. I doubt if the Rage cards are the problem though as I was having the same issues with the Riva before. I do have some older cards like the Rage II but I'm pretty certain they won't change anything.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-27 5:41 PM (#399 - in reply to #398)
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Do any programs recognize the L2 cache?

Well you might try a pci video card if you haven't yet just to see if the problems are still there. I know the mvp3 chipset has a bit of a reputation for a somewhat dodgy AGP controller. I can't say i've experienced that but the reputation had to come from somewhere, maybe this is one of those boards.... I don't know.. I also kind of still suspect something is wrong with the cache. Maybe it would be worth kissing the joints with the solder iron. I also wonder what would happen if a K62+ or III chip was used.

On a totally off topic note, and I guess qualifies as recently messed with, this was dropped of at the shop here for repair. This is why I don't have much interest in Athlon64 stuff, I still work on it from time to time!

Other than the video card being an FX5500, and what looks like a SBlive or Audigy, and Athlon 64 of some description, I don't know what the complete specs of this computer is, as it is not posting, but pretty typical build I see around these parts. 3 hard drives though... Cheap low-end ECS motherboard ( another example of that post pcchips merger with ECS motherboard ) SIS chipset, and only 2 ddr memory slots. wow.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-27 10:31 PM (#400 - in reply to #399)
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I did not spend a lot of money. Only 2 US Dollars (including shipping). Just wanted to get a new one of those blue things, with two holes in them, one for magnetising a screwdriver and one to de-magnetise. Magnetised my screwdriver in 2005, and it has been good untill 2016. Lost magnetisation completely last week and I had misplaced the thingy I bought in 2005.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-28 8:33 AM (#401 - in reply to #400)
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Personally, I've always settled for just sticking blu-tack on the end of the screwdriver when the magnetism wears out. People have a habit of "borrowing" my screwdrivers and only giving them back if they manage to break them though, so they rarely last long enough for this to become a problem.

@WaybackTech; Hehe, it has one of those CNR/AMR slots that nobody ever used. My 939 Athlon 64 was on an ECS board, but not that model. VIA chipset, unreliable board, it was horrible. By contrast, my cheap 754 board (also an ECS, SiS chipset) still works and hasn't ever really gone wrong. The ones with that darker purple mask seem to have shorter lifespans for whatever reason. They made some more costly boards at that time with a gross light purple colored mask and most of them were actually pretty good. I hope to get my hands on another PF5 some day because mine is a real sorry sight by now.

Sure I can see a cathode inverter at the back of that case.

SpeedSys can see the cache, as can NSSI, all 512K of it. I don't really want to do anything that precise with the 200 Watt gun and haven't been able to get my hands on a new iron yet, but it looks OK on visual inspection and I'm still leaning ever closer to TMC just making a bad board, I didn't even know they were still making them this late on anyway. I'm not even sure they made it as they seem to have started selling other boards under their own badge at some stage before disappearing into obscurity, something a few board makers look to have done before falling off the map for good. It really sucks because I liked their old boards, the PCI54ST was epic, the TI6NFK was a great idea and the older AI5-- boards were always solid. As long as I can get it to Windows it seems to be stable, so I'm tempted to try ignoring it for now. There are instances of similar, if not the exact same, problems with this board dotted around the internet which does suggest it isn't a unique case.

It's funny, I've never had a problem with MVP3's AGP implementation but have heard numerous horror stories about the ALi chipset in this regard. It is probably safe to assume none of them were perfect.

Athlon 64's though, ha, I ran one for less than a year before giving up on it and building a new machine. That's how the Pentium D came to be.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-28 4:22 PM (#402 - in reply to #401)
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I have some screw drivers at work here that I slid a neodymium magnet down to the handle. Really works well. I had one of those blue magnetizer/demagnetizer things and I found a speaker worked better. Of course certain screw drivers hold magnetic field better than others too. Magnets out of hard drives are fantastic too. They are so strong they'll suck the Tin Man right through a keyhole

Unfortunate Paul you got a brain damaged motherboard I guess. I know you like quirky stuff and stuff with a personality so this is probably actually right up your alley. I find that very strange the board works perfectly ( or close to it I guess ) in Windows but goes totally Blonde in DOS. Very very strange. It probably is about as good as it gets right now. It sure seems to me every manufacturer that made motherboards Socket 7 and prior made really good quality parts, and then when SS7 era hit, all that started being flushed right down the crapper. Even Pcchips was pretty decent back then.

I noticed in your mirro's edge part 0 you teased the viewing audience with a boot up of the STPC 133 looks like you've been putting a lot of stuff on that box to mess with. How is it working?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-28 4:39 PM (#403 - in reply to #402)
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Someone I know actively collects hard drive magnets, though they don't really use them for anything and just store them, no idea what they're planning. Bit of a tinfoil hat though, so probably nothing all that useful. They only pillage drives that are already dead.

I wasn't really going to use it for DOS much anyway and what stuff it is likely to run is late enough that it was made with Windows in mind. I can only guess that the problems stem from the BIOS and that perhaps Windows takes control of something said BIOS isn't very good at. Quality definitely took a dive, there were so many bad Socket A boards and I'd argue that the peak of poor quality was in the lifetime of the Athlon.

With the STPC, most of the stuff that came up after POST was the SSD firmware starting up, but I had it boot from a borrowed hard drive instead. It was just what I had connected to the splitter and scaler at the time. I now have the audio module so I'll probably test that out later. As it is basically just an ESS card on ISA I'm not expecting anything remarkable, which is exactly what I want. Probably also going to bodge that battery as it doesn't recharge.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-28 6:09 PM (#404 - in reply to #403)
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A computer that can't run dos properly is a bit like a computer that can't do math properly If anything it should be the other way around. If it is a bios problem, I wonder if you can find another manufacturers bios that works on this board. Maybe there is just some kind of design flaw in the motherboard itself with the particular revision you have and that's why there are so many bios revisions because TMC was trying to work around the flaw within the bios.

Have you thought about using a ( either new or vintage ) ammo case for the STPC? I always liked that particular mod, don't see people do that anymore.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-29 11:09 AM (#405 - in reply to #404)
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Well, yeah, but it happens. I doubt if they were really making them for DOS by then and probably never tested. Though I'd have still thought they'd notice as most of the tools were still running in DOS at the time.

The STPC has its own issues, it is the second system I have seen that causes an "Insufficient Memory" when running DOS games, no matter how much is actually free. I remember that the way around it was simple, but do not remember what it was, I have a feeling it was a VGA related problem somehow. The sound module seems to work but my battery mod is not keeping the settings, I think the contacts are just loose though so I'll try touching it up with the gun again. I really like the DOC, I may even get a larger one and give this thing a minimal install of Windows 95 as I actually think it would benefit from that overall, in part because of the abundance of PnP which is harder to manage under DOS/3.X, not to mention I can then run Cakewalk 9 which is what I wanted to do with this thing from the start, the K5/P4 combination I cobbled together for Banjo was far too bulky and was a handful to manage, this thing would be much more practical in this role. Not sure where I'd get an ammo case and I still like the idea of housing it in one of those regular metal enclosures. I dunno, I'm just taken with the idea of it looking (almost) like an innocent VGA switcher when the parts inside actually pack quite a punch all things considered.

Might shelve the SPTC again for today and work on the Pentium OverDrive as I have worked down the pile of stuff to do far enough that everything I need for it is now at the top. I have given up on the T230 card I wanted to run in there and will probably just use a Virge or something, maybe a Mach64, not sure but I'll keep the Virge for now as I can always switch it out later if I want to. Very fiddly board, tedious to set up and I wouldn't be surprised if the damn RTC is flat by now. Said RTC is between two slots and soldered to the board, so here's hoping I'm lucky and don't have to do anything to it yet.

Edit: The more I look at QNX, the more I realize that its scope is colossal. The car industry alone uses it heavily for in-car entertainment systems;


I doubt if any of these systems are x86 though, mostly ARM I'd guess, but it is an interesting rabbit hole I went down when playing with the OS and I will definitely look more closely when I get into people's cars. Likely right before I get thrown out of said car for playing with the infotainment system.

On a similar note, I'm contemplating playing around with Minix again. No real use for it as I have literally nothing that runs in the operating system, but I always liked the OS and have found myself missing it recently.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-29 9:26 PM (#406 - in reply to #405)
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I noticed they advertise QNX for medical as well. Looks like they have a pretty good foot hold in a lot of markets.

These SOC micro pc's seem like they would be an interesting alternative to having a full blown vintage pc. I don't think the Vortex86 / ebox that I have is a good replacement for such a system. Early 95 era games and maybe some low power windows 98 games might run ok on it but it's performance is really strange. Best description of the performance is similar to your first P60 build where you said performance comes in lumps. Some of that though could be because of the cfcard even though the card I purchased is a 50MB/s card. I was surprised though how warm the top of the box gets, which is good I guess as I know the thermal transfer from the SIS550 chip is taking place. Probably a good thing I put some new thermal compound on the block of aluminum that transfers heat from the SOC to the case. Dos stuff runs at a nice speed on this box, about that of a P133, but the lack of any kind of dos sound support is really what stops this from being a nice small dos gaming box. I have a feeling your STPC will be more useful than the ebox. The later VortexDX might be better since it is a 1ghz chip for W98 era stuff. I do like how they kept the DX and SX references on those chips, nice little throw back naming scheme.

I think if I ever decide to get an STPC board, I'd maybe consider wiring a small amp inside of what ever enclosure I ended up putting it in and having a nice fat volume knob on the front of it, maybe an nice aluminum knob from one of the late 70's era receivers, like Pioneer as an example, use the tuning knob for example for the volume control. I have an idea one of those small tube ( or valve as people in your part of the world calls them ) headphone amps figure out a way to mount it to the top of the box.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-30 9:34 AM (#407 - in reply to #406)
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Bleh, that P60, man that thing was really horrible, I suspect your Vortex86 is vastly more reliable than that was. Similarly the performance of the STPC DX2 is a little odd, but I think some of that comes down to the onboard VGA. It does seem faster than the 66MHz version's VGA but is still weak in a few places. The heat output is almost negligible and it would probably be happy being cooled passively but I still have a fan around to blow air over the heatsink. With sound, I'm sure there was an attempted generic AC97 driver for DOS, but I do not remember who was working on it or where, nor whether it provided any Sound Blaster compatibility. I suppose the onboard sound may be close enough to a 7018; http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=1140782 (I hate DriverGuide) but even then I don't expect it would work well.

Oh, I fixed the STPC's battery problem, the wire had just broken in my holder somehow and reconnecting it allows settings to be stored correctly. Probably serve me right for stealing the battery holder from some cheap christmas lights I bought in Poundland, can't exactly expect quality from such things.

It's odd you should have that idea, the module I have actually provides headers and jumpers for such purposes. You can actually flip a jumper to bypass the internal volume controls, disable the amplifier and regular jack and then feed the header off to a volume knob and amplifier. On the other hand, the audio quality isn't great, which seems fitting given the intended market for the device. Certainly is passable though and it might well be better using the header as the onboard amp and such looks just a little anemic next to a regular sound card. It's good enough for what I'm doing though so it doesn't really concern me too much, I probably will go with internal speakers if I can though as I have no reason to use external ones for metronomes, message boxes, simple test loops and only need an external jack for feeding the sampler/drum machine. The system is proving reliable up to now anyway and I'm definitely going to look for a larger DOC so I can install Windows 95, thinking of mounting an IDE-CF adapter in the eventual casing and using that as storage. Shame the board isn't the model that came with that onboard really, but the adapters I use - there's actually a supplier in my city - are incredibly easy to mount into things. This also lets me skip out the network if I have to so I can get MIDI, Samples and Patches in and out of the system regardless of if it is running or connected to the Ethernet or not. Plus it would be useful for keeping the installation files to hand if I need them in future.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-30 8:56 PM (#408 - in reply to #407)
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I'll give that driver a try. The 7018 driver for Windows didn't work but perhaps the dos one will be more forgiving and go with it. From the description it sort of looks like they guy hobbled together a driver that worked for his system. There is a 95_98 driver listed on the ftp side for the ebox, and I took a look at the inf file and it says it is for the 7019, mentions things like "legacy audio" in there as well. I thought I tried that driver and it didn't work, and went with the WDM driver instead but, interesting there is 1 file in that driver which is the same as the dos driver on driver guide. Can't hurt trying things again now that I am done with the Dual P3 for the time being. If SB emulation under "dosbox" in 98 works, that is at least something. Pure dos though would be nice.

Looks like there are several 256MB DOC's on ebay. I see one 192MB but he only ships US, only $20 though which is almost half of what people are asking for the 256MB chips. I kind of wonder though if the DOC interface is really just an IDE in disguise, or if there were any cleaver people that found a way to adapt an IDE drive to that DOC interface.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-30 9:51 PM (#409 - in reply to #408)
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It was just a thought as I specifically remember using a generic VIA DOS driver from some AC97 codec to get some functionality on an Envy24 in DOS. It was unreliable, but the two SiS codecs might be similar enough that you can get away with it. Worst case scenario, an error comes up or a crash happens. In the INF look for "ExcludeFromSelect" or something to that effect, a lot of drivers at that time had the Legacy device # commented out so it wouldn't work. Sometimes they were removed for good reasons, notably the ECS K7S5A driver had SiS drivers which made the system very unstable if the legacy driver was enabled.

I'll see what I can get hold of, 95 doesn't need that much space overall if I skip installing things like wallpaper that I don't need and Cakewalk is tiny. The boards I have see the DOC as "SCSI" in the BIOS which fits because it uses a kind of "Option ROM" to get things done. It does not appear to be SCSI at all and the use of the term is merely a left-over, such as how I had to set "SCSI" as my boot device on the Pentium to use the PCI IDE card it was running early on, before moving to real SCSI. The interface itself appears to be proprietary, I think I read somewhere that some companies made adapters to use other flash memory with it, but if that is true I haven't seen any of them. This page has quite a lot of information about things; http://www.digital-circuitry.com/MyLAB_IC_PROG_DISKONCHIP.htm
The Gang Programmer uses a (likely 180MHz) MediaGX processor but, somewhat worryingly, a real hard drive instead of one of M-Systems' flash solutions... err... that doesn't send a good message.

I haven't had a chance to watch your P3 video properly yet. I've had someone around who has no interest in such things and will make noise if I try to watch it, so I shall leave it until tomorrow so I can watch it properly. I've got a bunch of other videos to catch up on from various places anyway. I guess I'll have to fix my P3 now, when I'm done with my OverDrive.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-30 11:21 PM (#410 - in reply to #409)
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I notice neither that site, nor the data sheets state the drives write cycles "endurance" tbf. Interesting technology they developed to basically create an SSD drive. I guess making a drive work over the same interface as an eeprom makes sense for multiple device scenarios. Probably though the erase/write cycles are not terribly abundant on these, few thousand / 10's of thousand maybe? I definitely would keep W95 swap file disabled. Also interesting the data sheets mention routers as a device marketed for use in. I wonder what routers used these ( if any ) and if they could be purchased for cheaper than the actual DOC by itself. Certainly would be a perfect solution though for an industrial setting.

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Robman
Posted 2017-03-31 6:20 AM (#411 - in reply to #410)
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Finally remembered my password to access the forum on this computer but I've been lurking in the meantime.
Love the dual p3 1Ghz system, would like to know more about that.
Those purple coloured motherboards for the Athlons seem to be crap, I have one similar using an XP 2200+ s462 board currently not posting, was an emachine.

Fired up my p3 1Ghz machine to find it still works good, ps/2 mouse port seems to have died though. Most of these machines are stored in an enclosed transport truck trailer 53' long, exposed to extreme heat and cold, moisture is kept down thanks to some straw bales in there, lol. My first computer to call my own, the IBM Aptiva E03 originally a Cyrix pr166(133Mhz) upgraded to a Cyrix 233Mhz chip still works great, got it in 1997. Need to rebuild the k6-2 450Mhz tower as it's missing the power supply, video card and hdd to give it a test as it hasn't been used in years and you guys have given me the bug to see if it still works after being stored in said conditions.

I always liked the sound blaster live/5.1 cards for what I used them for, they worked, not sure why Paul hates them so much haha.

Fired up my core2duo e6750 machine today, with 2gb ram and a gtx 260 218sp it idles around 150watts and jumped to 220+/- when gaming. Neat to know how much power is being used or saved between different systems. Although I know the video card in that machine is power hungry.

Oh and the p4 2.8Ghz HT , 2gb ram radeon hd 4350 still works great, gave it a test also.

Seems I have better luck with leaving my Intel systems for good amounts of time and still have them fire up and run just as I left them, the AMD systems I have, not so much. Most of my Athlon XP/Duron systems seem to be finickity sometimes, juggling memory, resetting bios, trying different cards..ugh.

I like seeing how well the older stuff can run old games like UT, Q3, Q2, Doom3, Unreal although I guess it really goes with what the system can handle, "newer" stuff gets the cod4, UT3, Crysis, Bioshock, DNF, Mx Vs ATV Reflex testing.

If I was to get my 386 working, I'd likely throw some wolf3d, commander keen, rott and Doom/Heretic on there. Damn I'd love to get that old thing to post again. Should give it some good attention someday. Oh and an old game called Slicks n Slides.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 7:45 PM (#412 - in reply to #411)
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@WaybackTech; Hence the CF card, all writes would be on that so the DOC would only exist to start the system and load the software.

@Robman; Password reset should work if you're ever really stuck, though I still wonder if the ISP will ever get mad at me for leeching their mail servers. I tried running my own but it was pretty much instantly blacklisted under GMX and its subsidiaries for reasons unknown.

That wattage is surely the video card alone, right? Power hungry card the GTX 260, mine used to guzzle the power to the point my Pentium D's older PSU could not stomach it, would make worrying noises and cause the system to reboot. I got around that by placing a µATX PSU in the bottom of the case (switched on by a relay) and feeding it from that. Still, it did use that power and I never had any problems with the card until it died.

Good luck running Doom on a 386. Maybe with the screen shrunk down I guess.

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I've mostly fixed my POD. It wasn't as busted as I had thought and was also easier to fix than I thought - turns out, GAG is on the 3.11 drive and it was the 95 install that was broken, meaning I didn't have to re-install GAG, I only had to swap the drives over whilst I did the re-install. I have gone for a SB16 instead of the PAS because I feel having the PAS16 and a SoundScape in the same machine is seriously asking for trouble. Not sure whether I wand MPEG decoding yet and if I do, whether I want to use another S3, my RealMagic or an ATI. Least keen on ATI as it doesn't appear to be true hardware decoding. Also questioning installing the CinemaPro, it is currently in the K5 and will stay there for now.

Shame I'm not using the VLB slots, but the only device I had in them, that being Ethernet, doesn't work in them and I'd rather keep it running PCI video as I already have my U5S - which I see as being a kind of "little sister' to the OverDrive, being they use boards in the same series - for that kind of thing. Who knows, I might fix the T230 card some day yet, but I'd need a heat gun. That's PCI though, TSeng ET4000 / Viper card.

On a slightly less happy note, I cannot find my linen trousers. Sucks as the weather is warm and I wanted to break out the summer wardrobe. My shirts are still here though, so it's not all bad.

I think I might tackle a smaller job next and replace my 386's CPU fan and its flaky video card. I have that weird "TV Converter" board to install in there eventually. Due to the heavily modified timing circuitry I am curious as to how it handles the obscure CGA modes that don't always work well on VGA cards. Hopefully the floppies for it still work properly.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-31 8:52 PM (#413 - in reply to #412)
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Well so far I have 1 setback on the dual Xeon Slot 2 stuff. I've received everything but the motherboard so far. Of course the seller of the motherboard used the slow boat from china shipping instead of forking out nearly nothing extra for priority mail. The video card sent to me is an AGP version, and not the PCI-X shown in the photos or listed in the description. I took a photo of the card and contacted the seller, and told them of their little screw up, and instead of them replaying back and saying "oh we're sorry we will send the correct one out" or something to that effect, no they just sent me a message requesting that I leave them positive feedback for the purchase. LOL

so here is the listing - http://www.ebay.com/itm/152405794438?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&s...

and here is what they sent. Also this is the 128MB version and not the 256MB. So it looks like I will have to escalate the issue to ebay unfortunately. Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 9:57 PM (#415 - in reply to #413)
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Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?

In my time on this planet I have honestly come to the conclusion that there is no shortage of them. Quite the opposite in fact, they seem quite abundant. Good luck with eBay, they're usually on the buyer's side anyway, or they were the last time I had a dispute. Oddly, that was over a video card, only mine was a DOA GTX card with blatant evidence of tampering and overheating, that was some years ago now.

That card is very similar to the one I use in my video wall. Hopefully I will find space to resurrect that eventually though I'm not sure what I did with the control scripts I wrote for it.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 9:59 PM (#416 - in reply to #413)
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Finally....
Last case in order to complete my project of having a computer for each "generation", roughly speaking.
This case comes with an unidentified motherboard, a K6-something? CPU.
The only thing I might be able to identify from pic's are the Matrox card.

Anyway.
This case will be stripped, the motherboard, cpu and ram will be put up for sale.
Instead. This case will get the VLB-dx2-66 treatment (perhaps 80).
The FIC 486 VIP IO will get my dx4-120 if I will go for the dx2-80.

Seller's pictures... Uhhh.... Can someone identify this board? (Looks low grade and cheap)





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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 10:22 PM (#417 - in reply to #416)
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At a guess? PCChips M575.

Case looks pretty good though, reminds me strongly of an ATX one I have.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-31 10:37 PM (#418 - in reply to #417)
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Definitely an M575. Pcchips were decent back then. ALi chipset in the case of this "TX Pro" .Probably a K6-200/233. Looks like a Millennium 1 card in there. I like the case as well. Looks like a computer probably built by one of those fly by night computer sellers that littered computer magazines in the late 90's, using mostly off the shelf components just like a computer store would, usually cutting the cost down by using a cheap and cheerful pcchips motherboard. Slap their little case badge on it and whatever other stickers necessary to comply with laws.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 10:38 PM (#419 - in reply to #413)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-31 10:52 PM

and here is what they sent. Also this is the 128MB version and not the 256MB. So it looks like I will have to escalate the issue to ebay unfortunately. Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?


Yeah... Once I bought an ET4000/W32-ISA card, and I recieved an 8-bit ET3000 card.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 10:44 PM (#420 - in reply to #418)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-01 12:22 AM

At a guess? PCChips M575.

Case looks pretty good though, reminds me strongly of an ATX one I have.



waybacktech - 2017-04-01 12:37 AM

Definitely an M575. Pcchips were decent back then. ALi chipset in the case of this "TX Pro" .Probably a K6-200/233. Looks like a Millennium 1 card in there. I like the case as well.


Thanks...
I got that same exact respons on Vogons. Someone mentioned that it is one of the fastest non SS7 board.
That I know nothing about, yeah, I only know that this is something that I have no use for.
If the motherboard is working, I will be putting it up on Amibay.

What might this be worth, if sold seperately? I have no clear knowledge on what to charge.
Not going to ask an arm or/and a leg. Not going to cheat my self out of money eighter.
As I say.... Have to be cheap and fair priced, in order for everyone to be able to buy.


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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-31 11:11 PM (#421 - in reply to #420)
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If the motherboard is working, I will be putting it up on Amibay.

What might this be worth, if sold seperately?


You'll just have to search on socket 7 motherboards and see what they are going for and if it looks like anyone is buying them at all. It is hard to say what something is worth because that depends on a lot of factors.

Generally though, if I had to lay a guess, here in the US on ebay, I'd say $20-$30 is probably all the board would really fetch.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 11:27 PM (#422 - in reply to #421)
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waybacktech - 2017-04-01 1:11 AM

You'll just have to search on socket 7 motherboards and see what they are going for and if it looks like anyone is buying them at all. It is hard to say what something is worth because that depends on a lot of factors.

Generally though, if I had to lay a guess, here in the US on ebay, I'd say $20-$30 is probably all the board would really fetch.


Just been on eBay, in order to check prices on S7-Boards. I think it was from somewere around 55 and up to around 100.
That is just insane prices, and I will never ask that much. Just plain stupid insane pricing.

If I did not check prices, and only base it on what I personally would like to give for a board, then the prices
would be somewere between 14 and 22 dollars. (That is without shipping costs)

In Danish Kroners. That is 100 to 150 Dkr. Wich is what I normally charge and sell for on the Danish version of eBay.
20 to 30 Dollars is the same as 150 and 200 Kroners (roughly), and I feel that is just a tad over the top, asking for 30 Dollars.

Would something like 25 US Dollars plus shipping fee's, make it a decent price then?

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