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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-17 12:33 AM (#329 - in reply to #328)
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Well I searched on the model # on the motherboard to see who made it and the listing came up. I didn't know how seriously you were looking for a super socket 7 board, I could have hooked you up bro with a combo to send to you, though the spare board I have is ( i think ) a gigabyte board and it has 1MB L2 cache. I know i've got a couple K6-2-500's and I've got Rage 128's and TNT2 M64's coming out of my ass Should have send me a message dude! don't have one of those sound cards though. I've got the Aladdin 5 1MB L2 ATX board too just chilling. With the size of the heatsink on that TNT2 card you're getting, stick a fan on that sucker and might get a decent overclock on that chip. I like the M64 cards. They seemed to me to be better than one would expect from a real cheap low end offering.

I haven't messed with the ebox since my last posting about it. Everest does run under 98 and 95 as well. Good idea to try that, though I am not sure if it is sophisticated enough to actually tell me what the audio/video actually is without a driver already being loaded to give it that information. I have AIDA for dos, so that might shed light on it too. NSSI had no clue

I've got some more goodies to share myself. I'll post the rest a bit later, but for now, a motherboard with "evil inside" has graced my presence, fitting name being an Intel product. Didn't know the board had a modded bios until I powered it up. Pretty cool. I got this because, well it was a hell of a deal, and because I sold the computer I built ( urgm 1.0 ) which had the Tusl2 board and a Tually 1.4 installed over a year ago, and well wanted another one. Also found a Via 133 based Tually board, with celery 900 tually core chip already installed ( not like I don't already have some celery tually's ) so that will be a nice face off video in the near future, pics coming soon.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-17 1:15 AM (#330 - in reply to #329)
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It doesn't matter, I'm sure I'll get my money's worth out of it anyway, given there are several things I can't really do right now having such a gap in my collection - there is literally nothing between 233MHz and 1100MHz right now as my P2 and K6 plugged that gap nicely. I had pretty specific things in mind for the board anyway, I really had my heart set on another Chaintech, it just happens that the TMC is almost identical.

X86-Secret eh? Weren't they the guys with the exploding Duron in the Google Video times? I remember those being posted everywhere for a while. Odd that you'd find that while I'm trying to assemble a K6 as one thing I am really pissed about losing is the custom BIOS I had cobbled together which replaced the EPA logo with a nuclear fission symbol, U-92 Pollution Creator it read with the POST message saying "It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum!" for added pointlessness. Nobody has ever noticed my custom POST messages or if they did, they never mentioned it. I am leaving it until someone spots them, as some are questionable at best. It wasn't easy to add that EPA logo though and I'm not sure I can be bothered to do it again. The logo your board displays actually came with the tools I used to do it, which makes me wonder if they are somehow linked to that board or if the previous owner used the same toolkit and simply liked the logo... Hmm, think I will try to put another nuclear one together eventually, I guess I may have a backup on my old Dell laptop, but I hate firing that thing up.

I should probably sell my Tualatin 1.4 eventually, as they don't work in my P6DGU and I'm happy with the 1100MHz Coppermines, given everything worked fine at 750MHz anyway. I got them years ago with the PL-P3/SMP adaptors for less than the adaptors usually go for anyway, and as the adaptors are what allows me to even use the 1100MHz chips, as well as the fact they came with low-profile copper heatsinks, I think it is safe to say I won't make a loss. I literally have no desire to play with Tualatin chips, so I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with, then I'll cheat by having the second Coppermine enabled and say I won.

Everest goes on Vendor/Device ID as far as I remember, but I also seem to think it only did that in certain pages. PC Wizard from CPUID used to be quite good, but I don't know if it has this ability. Also it is hard to find and is unreliable on Win9X to the point that I couldn't honestly recommend it. Everest always seems to at least work as intended though, even if its benchmark tool is completely pointless - my Pentium D consistently loses to Athlon XP machines in every test.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-17 1:42 AM (#331 - in reply to #330)
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im pretty sure this is a legit bios mod, though I haven't actually messed with it yet. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/i815twken.htm

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-17 3:16 AM (#332 - in reply to #331)
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SL4BS were what I moved from as my board only does 100MHz FSB officially and turning it up to 133 caused problems for the SCSI controller. Otherwise, is that a P2B-DS I see there? Also, a Fury Maxx! Are you sure you weren't rummaging in my old K6 before it disappeared? those cards are awesome, though only one GPU will work under Windows XP, not sure about 2000, though this then means you lose the second CPU running in Windows 9X/ME. Still, you might want to hang onto that one as they're damn near impossible to find these days and I doubt you'd find another, as I am sure you are aware.

Well, now that you've dragged this out, I am definitely going to have to see if my 100MHz P3 can outrun this seemingly 133MHz system. Graphics tests would likely be unfair though as I think the Quadro 2 Pro was faster than the Fury Maxx due to their age gap. I can *cough* obtain *cough* for you a PassMark 6 or 7 that will not nag for registration if you would like?

Do you like the Live cards? I've always had rather a dislike for them personally, all whilst actually liking the Audigy despite it using practically the same audio processor. I think it is down to the drivers and many different incompatible version numbers more than anything that has kept me away from the Live. I ran a crappy C-Media for most of the time they were around, though it did what I wanted it to I guess, just had unbearably noise outputs.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-17 3:37 AM (#333 - in reply to #332)
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I may or may not run the Maxx in this build. I found it listed for $56 on ebay so I snagged it right away. I may run the Geforce2GTS card I have instead. Will have to see how the benchmarks work out but IDK, I ran NVidia back then so it is nice to switch things up and go ATI. Plan is Windows 2000 for this. I may do a load of XP just to show performance difference if any. P2B-DS. A $30 find. Only problem is 1 usb port is broken but given how expensive these boards are, and the fact I don't have a need for usb on this era of machine, doesn't bother me. Boxed with accessories. Board works and was running a pair of P3-550's. I am thinking the 133 bus might be an issue. I did do some looking around and saw others running these 133 bus chips on this motherboard. Bios update might be needed. Will have to see when I get into the project. I looked for the 100 bus version but it was SOOOO expensive. $20 shipped for both processors. Not sure if I will leave the heatsinks on, they are copper so they might stay. Rig a fan of some sort to blow through both of them ( 120mm maybe or a duct to the psu fan ) or just go with a couple traditional coolers as I have some brand new ones. I think there is 512MB of ram on this board right now.

I like the live cards, retail that is. Some of the revisions are kind of crap though, especially the Dell cards. This particular one is the X gamer 5.1 version which seems to be pretty well received.


If you want to get rid of those Tuallitans, I would perhaps be interested in a pair, with a pair of those adapters you have as well. I think they would make quite a nice home in this board.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-17 4:16 AM (#334 - in reply to #333)
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EBOX-2300 update.

Well Paul, you were right. SIS7019 turned out to be exactly what Everest detected. Good program.

Based on a search for SIS7019, and not finding much except mentions of it for puppy linux and QNX ( interesting ) I somehow managed through a roll of the google dice, to stuble on this ftp site: ftp://icop.com.cn/MSTI/eboxII/ which had the drivers for 98 along with other Windows versions.

Downside so far, unless I stumble on something else, Winamp only works with direct sound, and although the volume panel was present when I first loaded the driver, it disappeared on reboot after installing the video driver, and is greyed out. If it isn't one thing, it is another, but at least things are at a point where it is usable to some degree.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-17 4:20 AM (#335 - in reply to #333)
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The GTS is practically the same GPU as the Quadro (In fact, I think you can mod them both ways, turning Quadro into GTS or GTS to Quadro) and that works well with mine, so it is most likely a good choice. I switched from a Radeon VE that I had been using for years which was also good. The bus speed on the P6DGU is toggled by the "Manufacture Setting" in the BIOS, setting it to Mode 5, another mode does 118MHz that can be useful too. The Asus is Award BIOS though, so I'm not sure what they'd have it listed as if it is toggled the same way, the P6DGU is an AMI BIOS board with a GX chipset. The 100MHz versions can cost a lot and the faster models don't always show up too often, it took me quite a while to track down these (SL5QW) ones, I think it was over two years with that upgrade pending which sucked because it would have been useful when that P3 was propping up the YouTube channel. They do cause a Microcode warning to appear though because even adding said microcode to the BIOS image does not get around some oddities in SuperO's firmware, luckily it doesn't halt the system and it starts anyway. The SL4BS chips I had were stuck with passive heatsinks, but they did not run hot even at full clock and a 120MM fan bolted between the top of the motherboard and underside of the PSU proved more than enough to keep them below 40 degrees. It was a high flow fan though, noisy, not everyone's cup of tea. Would probably have been fine with a slower one if the noise had bothered me. As for RAM, 2GB is installed in mine, that's as far as it goes. I'm unclear if the P2B is a BX or GX, so I'm not sure if it maxes out at 1GB or 2GB.

Most of the Live's I had were SB0220 versions, presumably sold by Quay Tec locally as they pushed them and sold them very cheap in polythene bags - no CD, no cable, but you could get those for an extra charge. There are a lot with some other part number I don't remember, 4830 or 4870, that seemed to be common too and neither of these ever worked willingly. I thought the Envy24 was OK in its time.

I'm not sure where my other slotkets have gone, but you should know they're very basica and are Coppermine only, were possibly only designed for Uniprocessor Celeron use (they definitely don't have proper SMP capabilities) and offer no Tualatin support, so there's every chance they won't work there. They were reserved for someone else, but I'm banned from the forum which that discussion took place on and it was over a year ago, so I guess they guy didn't want them that badly. We'll see I guess. The only Tualatin capable ones I have are in the P6DGU and I can't take them out because the board seems to have problems powering the CPUs with the other adapters, and they're the only ones I have that provide an independent power source to the processor. In fact, the only bad thing I can say for the P6DGU and SuperMicro boards in general is how rigid they are about running things within spec, but at the same time, I expect it because they're server boards and when they are running within spec, they generally stay running with minimal intervention.

I still need to replace that dead Atlas hard drive. I might look into that next payday as it has waited longer than I'd like, seems there are quite a few locally at good prices right now so with any luck the process will go smoothly. I think I have a couple of WD drives left where one had failed, I suppose it might be worth my time to test the other one before I fork anything out, but I am doubtful it will work well as they had a hell of a lot of miles on them.


For years now I've toyed with the idea of building a Dual or Quad Slot 2 machine. I doubt if I will, but maybe some day if the planets align just right. I can dream.

Edit: Aha! Excellent, you have the audio working now.
My PC/104 board still isn't here still, shouldn't be long now, it is "In transit with Destination Carrier" according to the tracking information.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-17 7:20 AM (#336 - in reply to #335)
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Just wondering how the "Asus TUSL2-C" stacks up against the "Intel D815EEA2", not in terms of speed, as the differences in
these boards are just too small to really be noticeable in 640x480 to 800x600 gaming.
I am more like.... How stable they are stacked up against each other, and how they are to work with, when compared.
All stuff like that, just as well as how they are, when dealing with compatibility?
You know... All those things that are not really been taken to dept, as everyone just seems to want raw benchmark numbers.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-17 8:02 AM (#337 - in reply to #336)
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This is why I swear by makers like SuperMicro and QDI, they don't always win in the benchmarks, but as I said above; If ...they are running within spec, they generally stay running with minimal intervention... though I'd imagine almost any Asus boards that are still running will be generally quite reliable and Intel boards from Socket 7 upwards are something I haven't actually seen break yet, not of their own volition anyway. Seen a few of the low-end models killed by cheap µATX PSUs in the council's old P3-733 machines, but even then most of them stood up to it and came right back up after the PSU was replaced. I've used a lot of Intel boards that are abysmally slow though, to the point where it isn't just meaningless margins in a benchmark but a noticeable and annoying performance problem. This seems to be mostly gone by the time Slot 1 and the late Socket 7 (430TX) boards came around, but some of their older boards, especially their VX-based LPX Pentium boards, just cannot yield anywhere near what you would expect. The Intel board my Packard Bell used struggled to outrun a fast 486 in most applications despite having a 233MHz processor installed and yielding passable benchmark scores. I suppose they simply didn't have the hang of making them yet.

Then again, you're looking at the guy who uses ECS quite often and likes some of PCChips creations, so it is entirely possible that my thoughts are worth little if anything on such matters. Also I really need to sleep, so that won't help, going to fix that now.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-17 5:24 PM (#338 - in reply to #71)
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The last Tusl2 board I had was probably the best w98 machine I had in terms of stability. It really is over powered for a 98 machine in my opinion but it keeps the frame rates nice and smooth with the games I had on it. The Pentium Pro desktop machine I have uses an ASUS board and it is solid as a rock. Intel OEM boards from my experience have been generally very reliable and good performing.

The other card that may end up on in the P2B-DS is my Radeon 7500 I picked up a couple weeks ago if the Maxx doesn't work correctly in 2000. I had actually forgotten about that little issue with the Maxx card, it might very well be there in 2000 unless ATI or someone else managed to get the driver working in 2000 to handle both GPU's. Maxx might be more suited for a Slot A W98 build anyway, might just find its way into the Slot A "3dcool.com" PC i picked up. Matrox Parhelia 512 is a card I am looking at too. It is said to be the last enthusiast card Matrox produced, which ticks the right box for me as I like the enthusiast vintage stuff best. I can get the 128MB version for $25 which is decent price but if I get one I want the full blown 256MB version, which is, of course, double the price, and at that point there are a couple other interesting cards to me, like the Fire GL3. Several months ago, I picked up the first Radeon 64Mb DDR version, but turned out to be a dead card unfortunately. Hoping that heating up the GPU to "reflow" the solder will fix it, but that doesn't always fix cards.

I too would like to build a Slot 2 machine, dual or quad. The motherboards seem to be tricky to find anymore. Processors are dime a dozen. I am not sure the extra cache over the standard PII/III would really make much of a difference but still would like to see.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-17 9:04 PM (#339 - in reply to #338)
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Sounds like the TUSL2-C board is the same as the D815eea2 board. This is the exact same experience that I have with my D815eea2.
Rock solid and stable. The layout of the Intel board is decent too and there is no quirks as such, when building a system with that.
Could it be, that they are just identical in terms of what you get from them? I am running my Intel board with 512mb Ram and YMF-724.
I am not shure if I am keeping the GF3-ti200-128mb in this machine or I will be going back to the GF2-GTS card.

EDIT:
Regarding the P2B-DS board. That is an awesomme board. I have the P2B-S, and it is running happily with a P-II-350.
I have it running with a Matrox G400 DualHead, 512mb ram and an AWE64-Value. Nice board.
Just can't help but think, that I might have installed a Vga card, that the CPU can not use to the fullest.
So I might just downgrade it to something like a TNT2-Pro or a TNT (Diamond-V550-PCI) "As if" TNT2 is a downgrade.... Hehe.
Anyway... You might all get my point.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-18 8:24 PM (#340 - in reply to #339)
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My SBC got here today, I shall update with pictures at some point when I can find a PSU to leech power from.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-18 9:11 PM (#341 - in reply to #340)
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DXZeff - 2017-03-18 10:24 PM

My SBC got here today, I shall update with pictures at some point when I can find a PSU to leech power from.



Great. Looking forward to see them. :-)
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-18 9:39 PM (#342 - in reply to #341)
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Just made an offer for a dual channel pata vlb controller. I really want an Iwill Side Jr Pro VLB controller,
yet they are nowere to be found and if they pop up, they are extremely expensive.
So a simple one with two pata channels will have to do.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-18 10:05 PM (#343 - in reply to #342)
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I've never had a problem with plain controllers and as I rely on CF cards for the VLB machine I use more, I would see no advantage to using a caching controller or other enhancements. Good luck with your offer, they're getting harder to get hold of now.

Anyway, here are some images.




Obviously I'm going to save a few until later. However, I can tell you one thing - it plays Duke Nukem 3D at 640x480 with the detail on High and manages it quite well by my standards. Evidently, Terminal Velocity handles quite well too, though I expect they'll both drop a little once they have sound turned on.

There is only one issue; the battery is flat and it is soldered to the motherboard, so I will have to repair this because loss of settings in the BIOS causes problems with certain peripherals I have, resulting in a no-boot until I disconnect everything. I guess I will have to give in and buy another 30W iron, there's no way I'm getting away with the 200W gun I've been stuck with since getting here for this one.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-18 10:44 PM (#344 - in reply to #343)
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Intersting the FPU is equal to a P90 yet the cpu is only that of, what looks like would be a DX2/80. If NSSI is indeed correct about these scores, looks like a beefed up FPU beyond that of a typical 486.

Did you get the sound module yet?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-18 11:24 PM (#345 - in reply to #344)
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I thought that too, though I have to wonder if the FPU core simply scales to these clock speeds better than the ALU, because it wouldn't surprise me if the FPU was derived from the later DX4 or even the 5x86, the latter of which was derived from the 6x86 and was thus likely designed with faster clocks in mind from the start. It is worth noting that the NSSI results are not always consistent with some other results, there are strange variations in places. I shall have to test further when I have it set up properly as I'm currently kludging my way around a 40GB hard drive that caused problems in my K7 - though the Windows 98SE install does boot here and runs faster than I expected.

The audio module is not here yet. In the meantime I have the DOC to play with though, it has a strange Linux image which is in Chinese, displays an error I can't read and has a "China Mobile" backdrop going on. Not sure what it is meant to do as there's nothing to press, perhaps it came from a kiosk or billboard? Either way, I shall image the DOC with Ghost and try loading it into a VM to see if I can make it do anything. Oh, well, what do you expect when you pay $2 for a "new" Disk-on-Chip from Shenzhen.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-18 11:32 PM (#346 - in reply to #345)
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Fun you mention the 5x86 too. Somehow I feel the ratio of CPU/FPU to be the same as in a 5x86.
Going to follow these Vortex reports that you both are giving. Just to see if this is something for me too.

The only reason for me to obtain a Side-JR-Pro is because that was the controller I had back in 1995.
Not the Side-JR-Plus, nor the SCSI/IDE edition. It has to be the pro edition. Yeah...
The reason for wanting a cached (with a controller-cpu) instead of the Side, is that I need something that
takes of the CPU load, in order to make the CPU run more freely. Just like a SCSI controller.
Yet these I seek are so rare, and as you mention. They are extremely expensive too. (One can dream though)

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-19 12:37 AM (#347 - in reply to #346)
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Brostenen: I have a cache vlb ide controller in box with ( i think ) most or all accessories. I need to play with that card. Those disk caching cards are rare and expensive. I ran the super-ide cached controller card I have which is an isa card. It was interseting as it mostly cached the dos boot files, so even on a hard reset the computer booted from the cache and not hard drive, just like booting from a CF card actually. Strange to see a vintage system, with a traditional hard drive, boot with no direct hard drive access. I remember in the late 90's early 2000's there were ramdisk cards which are what I would consider to be the first ssd. Problem was when the power was shut off, you lost your disk. Later versions had a battery on the card to retain the disk in the ram on the card. They used anywhere from 30 pin to sdram I remember. I don't know if those cards are still around or not, but would be fun to get one to play with and make a video about it.

Dxzeff: Have you been able to tell at this point if the sound module is an ISA or PCI interface?

It would have sense for the STPC to have a slightly beefed up FPU given it seems to be somewhat intended for an industrial use.

Behind the scenes shot of the P2B-DS build. Apparently I do not have 2 identical coolers that are of the size I want to use on this.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-19 1:02 AM (#348 - in reply to #347)
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Basically speaking, something like this (though it's ISA) does not take off the CPU load, even if it has a CPU onboard?
All it does, is to cache content from the harddrive.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-19 1:47 AM (#349 - in reply to #348)
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That particular card I think will off load the work from the cpu, but only if data compression on the hard drive is being used. I think in general those old controllers to some extent off load the work from the cpu, exception would be probably those really cheap and nasty isa cdrom controllers, with software compression being another exception and would be totally cpu dependent in that case. A caching controller probably does assist the cpu load further by reducing cpu cycles needed to transfer the data due to the higher data throughput. I could though see a case where an isa caching controller could saturate the isa bus since the isa bus is 8MB/s ( unless bus overclocking is used ) shared between all devices plugged in. But all of this would come down to testing really to see how it really all pans out.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-19 3:01 AM (#350 - in reply to #349)
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@Brostenen; Yeah, that was my initial thought. It is worth keeping in mind that the FSB for this chip is 66MHz, so it is only using a 2x multiplier which I am sure must have some effect. I'm not on a Vortex, that's waybacktech, mine is an STPC Atlas.

I understand what you mean, there are some things which I only own because they are what I had at some stage in the past. This is the only reason I keep my ValuePoint, because otherwise it's a pretty pathetic machine and it can't do very much, but it was the first PC I owned so I can never bring myself to part with it - I know that if I did, I would only end up trying to get another one further down the line.

I've always been weary of ISA IDE outside of ISA-only machines personally, and I would think it depends on how much data you usually pull from the hard drive and in what way as to how much of an advantage you will see.

@WaybackTech; Those RAM Disk cards could be argued as the first SSD, but I have seen some "Solid State Drive" from the 80s before now selling for unobtainable prices, only with very low capacities. Basically a bunch of battery backed RAM chips on a card, odd thing because it was ISA where most of the early examples were for minicomputers. I dread to think what the original owner must have paid for it. M-Systems also made some cards which were just several DOCs on an ISA card. Incidentally the images won't hotlink so search for "M-System Disk On Chip EVB" to find that, it isn't very interesting to look at in reality though as it literally is just a bunch of DOC modules stuck to an ISA card.

PC/104 is basically ISA, it would probably be possible to make an adaptor out of very simple passive components and a prototyping board. The SoC has a PCI Bus but it is not used outside of the onboard peripherals, that would make it a PC/104 Plus board;

They went at least as far as PCI-E

Kind of sucks because it is entirely possible to plug some modules in the wrong way and much confusion ensued with the module I do have as the fools who made it labelled the connector the wrong way. Luckily I suspected this and belled it out with a meter before turning anything on, but it was harder than it would be because both +5V and GND are located in the same position at each end of the connector, meaning I had to find something else to test and that took a while. Conveniently the module I was playing with has a jumper which connects directly to IRQ2 so I used that to figure out where I was. This module is an 8-Bit one, so it will have to go at the end of the stack. If this thing works, I might have to add a couple more modules in the future. The SoC is a 16-Bit PC/104 interface board so there should be quite a few things I would be able to plug into it. Also, it seems my battery is rechargeable, so I might leave it on overnight or something and see if it holds.

I may have to test the FPU specifically versus a 6x86 at 2x66MHz to see how it holds up, because so far as I am aware, the FPU in there was hardly modified across the entire life of the processor and as noted, was much the same as the 5x86 one.


Ha, call me crazy, but it irritates me immensely when the coolers in my dual CPU systems do not match.

Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-19 4:07 AM
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-19 10:17 PM (#357 - in reply to #350)
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My offer was declined, made another and was declined too.
Then I found this one wich were even cheaper.
The same exact product, only two different sellers.
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Posted 2017-03-20 12:44 AM (#362 - in reply to #357)
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Ha, I think that's the same seller I bought the DOC from!
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-20 6:01 AM (#363 - in reply to #362)
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I have been recording Mirror's Edge for the second channel, here's a random snapshot;

This is the last big outing for the Pentium D, I always felt it had an affinity with this game, in part because my friends told me it would never play it. This will be my first Let's Play in 720p60, or as close to 60fps as the Pentium D can get. However, for the final part, which I am about to record, I have to make one last modification to the system.

It is odd to think that when I was building it, BTX was being pushed as the next big thing... yeah, that sure worked out didn't it? Glad I never went down that path, surprising really as I have a history of choosing whichever option will fail shortly afterwards.

Edit: Oh, god, this thing would break down at the last minute wouldn't it? Not ready to call it a day yet as I think I can get it to work again. I think she's just been stubborn more than anything and we might have to cross the line with a few pieces missing.

Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-20 8:11 AM
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