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IDT WinChip Posts: 237   Location: USA | Well I searched on the model # on the motherboard to see who made it and the listing came up. I didn't know how seriously you were looking for a super socket 7 board, I could have hooked you up bro with a combo to send to you, though the spare board I have is ( i think ) a gigabyte board and it has 1MB L2 cache. I know i've got a couple K6-2-500's and I've got Rage 128's and TNT2 M64's coming out of my ass  Should have send me a message dude! don't have one of those sound cards though. I've got the Aladdin 5 1MB L2 ATX board too just chilling. With the size of the heatsink on that TNT2 card you're getting, stick a fan on that sucker and might get a decent overclock on that chip. I like the M64 cards. They seemed to me to be better than one would expect from a real cheap low end offering. I haven't messed with the ebox since my last posting about it. Everest does run under 98 and 95 as well. Good idea to try that, though I am not sure if it is sophisticated enough to actually tell me what the audio/video actually is without a driver already being loaded to give it that information. I have AIDA for dos, so that might shed light on it too. NSSI had no clue I've got some more goodies to share myself. I'll post the rest a bit later, but for now, a motherboard with "evil inside" has graced my presence, fitting name being an Intel product. Didn't know the board had a modded bios until I powered it up. Pretty cool. I got this because, well it was a hell of a deal, and because I sold the computer I built ( urgm 1.0 ) which had the Tusl2 board and a Tually 1.4 installed over a year ago, and well wanted another one. Also found a Via 133 based Tually board, with celery 900 tually core chip already installed ( not like I don't already have some celery tually's ) so that will be a nice face off video in the near future, pics coming soon. Edited by waybacktech 2017-03-17 12:55 AM (20170316_181946.jpg) (20170316_182004.jpg) Attachments ----------------  20170316_181946.jpg (83KB - 699 downloads) 20170316_182004.jpg (135KB - 581 downloads) | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618  Location: Hull, UK | It doesn't matter, I'm sure I'll get my money's worth out of it anyway, given there are several things I can't really do right now having such a gap in my collection - there is literally nothing between 233MHz and 1100MHz right now as my P2 and K6 plugged that gap nicely. I had pretty specific things in mind for the board anyway, I really had my heart set on another Chaintech, it just happens that the TMC is almost identical. X86-Secret eh? Weren't they the guys with the exploding Duron in the Google Video times? I remember those being posted everywhere for a while. Odd that you'd find that while I'm trying to assemble a K6 as one thing I am really pissed about losing is the custom BIOS I had cobbled together which replaced the EPA logo with a nuclear fission symbol, U-92 Pollution Creator it read with the POST message saying "It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum!" for added pointlessness. Nobody has ever noticed my custom POST messages or if they did, they never mentioned it. I am leaving it until someone spots them, as some are questionable at best. It wasn't easy to add that EPA logo though and I'm not sure I can be bothered to do it again. The logo your board displays actually came with the tools I used to do it, which makes me wonder if they are somehow linked to that board or if the previous owner used the same toolkit and simply liked the logo... Hmm, think I will try to put another nuclear one together eventually, I guess I may have a backup on my old Dell laptop, but I hate firing that thing up. I should probably sell my Tualatin 1.4 eventually, as they don't work in my P6DGU and I'm happy with the 1100MHz Coppermines, given everything worked fine at 750MHz anyway. I got them years ago with the PL-P3/SMP adaptors for less than the adaptors usually go for anyway, and as the adaptors are what allows me to even use the 1100MHz chips, as well as the fact they came with low-profile copper heatsinks, I think it is safe to say I won't make a loss. I literally have no desire to play with Tualatin chips, so I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with, then I'll cheat by having the second Coppermine enabled and say I won.  Everest goes on Vendor/Device ID as far as I remember, but I also seem to think it only did that in certain pages. PC Wizard from CPUID used to be quite good, but I don't know if it has this ability. Also it is hard to find and is unreliable on Win9X to the point that I couldn't honestly recommend it. Everest always seems to at least work as intended though, even if its benchmark tool is completely pointless - my Pentium D consistently loses to Athlon XP machines in every test. Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-17 1:16 AM | ||
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IDT WinChip Posts: 237 Location: USA | im pretty sure this is a legit bios mod, though I haven't actually messed with it yet. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/i815twken.htm Speaking of dual coppermines.... Brings me to the next set of photos (20170316_193858.jpg) (20170316_193845.jpg) (20170316_194034.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170316_193858.jpg (124KB - 582 downloads) 20170316_193845.jpg (72KB - 577 downloads) 20170316_194034.jpg (164KB - 576 downloads) | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618 Location: Hull, UK | SL4BS were what I moved from as my board only does 100MHz FSB officially and turning it up to 133 caused problems for the SCSI controller. Otherwise, is that a P2B-DS I see there? Also, a Fury Maxx! Are you sure you weren't rummaging in my old K6 before it disappeared? those cards are awesome, though only one GPU will work under Windows XP, not sure about 2000, though this then means you lose the second CPU running in Windows 9X/ME. Still, you might want to hang onto that one as they're damn near impossible to find these days and I doubt you'd find another, as I am sure you are aware. Well, now that you've dragged this out, I am definitely going to have to see if my 100MHz P3 can outrun this seemingly 133MHz system. Graphics tests would likely be unfair though as I think the Quadro 2 Pro was faster than the Fury Maxx due to their age gap. I can *cough* obtain *cough* for you a PassMark 6 or 7 that will not nag for registration if you would like? Do you like the Live cards? I've always had rather a dislike for them personally, all whilst actually liking the Audigy despite it using practically the same audio processor. I think it is down to the drivers and many different incompatible version numbers more than anything that has kept me away from the Live. I ran a crappy C-Media for most of the time they were around, though it did what I wanted it to I guess, just had unbearably noise outputs. | ||
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IDT WinChip Posts: 237 Location: USA | EBOX-2300 update. Well Paul, you were right. SIS7019 turned out to be exactly what Everest detected. Good program. Based on a search for SIS7019, and not finding much except mentions of it for puppy linux and QNX ( interesting ) I somehow managed through a roll of the google dice, to stuble on this ftp site: ftp://icop.com.cn/MSTI/eboxII/ which had the drivers for 98 along with other Windows versions. Downside so far, unless I stumble on something else, Winamp only works with direct sound, and although the volume panel was present when I first loaded the driver, it disappeared on reboot after installing the video driver, and is greyed out. If it isn't one thing, it is another, but at least things are at a point where it is usable to some degree. Edited by waybacktech 2017-03-17 4:21 AM (20170316_204617.jpg) (20170316_220636.jpg) (20170316_220953.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170316_204617.jpg (146KB - 579 downloads) 20170316_220636.jpg (161KB - 545 downloads) 20170316_220953.jpg (130KB - 565 downloads) | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618 Location: Hull, UK | The GTS is practically the same GPU as the Quadro (In fact, I think you can mod them both ways, turning Quadro into GTS or GTS to Quadro) and that works well with mine, so it is most likely a good choice. I switched from a Radeon VE that I had been using for years which was also good. The bus speed on the P6DGU is toggled by the "Manufacture Setting" in the BIOS, setting it to Mode 5, another mode does 118MHz that can be useful too. The Asus is Award BIOS though, so I'm not sure what they'd have it listed as if it is toggled the same way, the P6DGU is an AMI BIOS board with a GX chipset. The 100MHz versions can cost a lot and the faster models don't always show up too often, it took me quite a while to track down these (SL5QW) ones, I think it was over two years with that upgrade pending which sucked because it would have been useful when that P3 was propping up the YouTube channel. They do cause a Microcode warning to appear though because even adding said microcode to the BIOS image does not get around some oddities in SuperO's firmware, luckily it doesn't halt the system and it starts anyway. The SL4BS chips I had were stuck with passive heatsinks, but they did not run hot even at full clock and a 120MM fan bolted between the top of the motherboard and underside of the PSU proved more than enough to keep them below 40 degrees. It was a high flow fan though, noisy, not everyone's cup of tea. Would probably have been fine with a slower one if the noise had bothered me. As for RAM, 2GB is installed in mine, that's as far as it goes. I'm unclear if the P2B is a BX or GX, so I'm not sure if it maxes out at 1GB or 2GB. Most of the Live's I had were SB0220 versions, presumably sold by Quay Tec locally as they pushed them and sold them very cheap in polythene bags - no CD, no cable, but you could get those for an extra charge. There are a lot with some other part number I don't remember, 4830 or 4870, that seemed to be common too and neither of these ever worked willingly. I thought the Envy24 was OK in its time. I'm not sure where my other slotkets have gone, but you should know they're very basica and are Coppermine only, were possibly only designed for Uniprocessor Celeron use (they definitely don't have proper SMP capabilities) and offer no Tualatin support, so there's every chance they won't work there. They were reserved for someone else, but I'm banned from the forum which that discussion took place on and it was over a year ago, so I guess they guy didn't want them that badly. We'll see I guess. The only Tualatin capable ones I have are in the P6DGU and I can't take them out because the board seems to have problems powering the CPUs with the other adapters, and they're the only ones I have that provide an independent power source to the processor. In fact, the only bad thing I can say for the P6DGU and SuperMicro boards in general is how rigid they are about running things within spec, but at the same time, I expect it because they're server boards and when they are running within spec, they generally stay running with minimal intervention. I still need to replace that dead Atlas hard drive. I might look into that next payday as it has waited longer than I'd like, seems there are quite a few locally at good prices right now so with any luck the process will go smoothly. I think I have a couple of WD drives left where one had failed, I suppose it might be worth my time to test the other one before I fork anything out, but I am doubtful it will work well as they had a hell of a lot of miles on them. For years now I've toyed with the idea of building a Dual or Quad Slot 2 machine. I doubt if I will, but maybe some day if the planets align just right. I can dream. Edit: Aha! Excellent, you have the audio working now. My PC/104 board still isn't here  still, shouldn't be long now, it is "In transit with Destination Carrier" according to the tracking information.Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-17 4:23 AM | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618 Location: Hull, UK | I've never had a problem with plain controllers and as I rely on CF cards for the VLB machine I use more, I would see no advantage to using a caching controller or other enhancements. Good luck with your offer, they're getting harder to get hold of now. Anyway, here are some images.     Obviously I'm going to save a few until later. However, I can tell you one thing - it plays Duke Nukem 3D at 640x480 with the detail on High and manages it quite well by my standards. Evidently, Terminal Velocity handles quite well too, though I expect they'll both drop a little once they have sound turned on. There is only one issue; the battery is flat and it is soldered to the motherboard, so I will have to repair this because loss of settings in the BIOS causes problems with certain peripherals I have, resulting in a no-boot until I disconnect everything. I guess I will have to give in and buy another 30W iron, there's no way I'm getting away with the 200W gun I've been stuck with since getting here for this one. Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-18 10:06 PM | ||
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IDT WinChip Posts: 237 Location: USA | Brostenen: I have a cache vlb ide controller in box with ( i think ) most or all accessories. I need to play with that card. Those disk caching cards are rare and expensive. I ran the super-ide cached controller card I have which is an isa card. It was interseting as it mostly cached the dos boot files, so even on a hard reset the computer booted from the cache and not hard drive, just like booting from a CF card actually. Strange to see a vintage system, with a traditional hard drive, boot with no direct hard drive access. I remember in the late 90's early 2000's there were ramdisk cards which are what I would consider to be the first ssd. Problem was when the power was shut off, you lost your disk. Later versions had a battery on the card to retain the disk in the ram on the card. They used anywhere from 30 pin to sdram I remember. I don't know if those cards are still around or not, but would be fun to get one to play with and make a video about it. Dxzeff: Have you been able to tell at this point if the sound module is an ISA or PCI interface? It would have sense for the STPC to have a slightly beefed up FPU given it seems to be somewhat intended for an industrial use. Behind the scenes shot of the P2B-DS build. Apparently I do not have 2 identical coolers that are of the size I want to use on this. Edited by waybacktech 2017-03-19 1:51 AM (behindscenes.jpg) Attachments ---------------- behindscenes.jpg (77KB - 577 downloads) | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618 Location: Hull, UK | @Brostenen; Yeah, that was my initial thought. It is worth keeping in mind that the FSB for this chip is 66MHz, so it is only using a 2x multiplier which I am sure must have some effect. I'm not on a Vortex, that's waybacktech, mine is an STPC Atlas. I understand what you mean, there are some things which I only own because they are what I had at some stage in the past. This is the only reason I keep my ValuePoint, because otherwise it's a pretty pathetic machine and it can't do very much, but it was the first PC I owned so I can never bring myself to part with it - I know that if I did, I would only end up trying to get another one further down the line. I've always been weary of ISA IDE outside of ISA-only machines personally, and I would think it depends on how much data you usually pull from the hard drive and in what way as to how much of an advantage you will see. @WaybackTech; Those RAM Disk cards could be argued as the first SSD, but I have seen some "Solid State Drive" from the 80s before now selling for unobtainable prices, only with very low capacities. Basically a bunch of battery backed RAM chips on a card, odd thing because it was ISA where most of the early examples were for minicomputers. I dread to think what the original owner must have paid for it. M-Systems also made some cards which were just several DOCs on an ISA card. Incidentally the images won't hotlink so search for "M-System Disk On Chip EVB" to find that, it isn't very interesting to look at in reality though as it literally is just a bunch of DOC modules stuck to an ISA card. PC/104 is basically ISA, it would probably be possible to make an adaptor out of very simple passive components and a prototyping board. The SoC has a PCI Bus but it is not used outside of the onboard peripherals, that would make it a PC/104 Plus board;  They went at least as far as PCI-E  Kind of sucks because it is entirely possible to plug some modules in the wrong way and much confusion ensued with the module I do have as the fools who made it labelled the connector the wrong way. Luckily I suspected this and belled it out with a meter before turning anything on, but it was harder than it would be because both +5V and GND are located in the same position at each end of the connector, meaning I had to find something else to test and that took a while. Conveniently the module I was playing with has a jumper which connects directly to IRQ2 so I used that to figure out where I was. This module is an 8-Bit one, so it will have to go at the end of the stack. If this thing works, I might have to add a couple more modules in the future. The SoC is a 16-Bit PC/104 interface board so there should be quite a few things I would be able to plug into it. Also, it seems my battery is rechargeable, so I might leave it on overnight or something and see if it holds. I may have to test the FPU specifically versus a 6x86 at 2x66MHz to see how it holds up, because so far as I am aware, the FPU in there was hardly modified across the entire life of the processor and as noted, was much the same as the 5x86 one. Ha, call me crazy, but it irritates me immensely when the coolers in my dual CPU systems do not match. Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-19 4:07 AM | ||
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TM Crusoe Posts: 618 Location: Hull, UK | I have been recording Mirror's Edge for the second channel, here's a random snapshot;  This is the last big outing for the Pentium D, I always felt it had an affinity with this game, in part because my friends told me it would never play it. This will be my first Let's Play in 720p60, or as close to 60fps as the Pentium D can get. However, for the final part, which I am about to record, I have to make one last modification to the system. It is odd to think that when I was building it, BTX was being pushed as the next big thing... yeah, that sure worked out didn't it? Glad I never went down that path, surprising really as I have a history of choosing whichever option will fail shortly afterwards. Edit: Oh, god, this thing would break down at the last minute wouldn't it? Not ready to call it a day yet as I think I can get it to work again. I think she's just been stubborn more than anything and we might have to cross the line with a few pieces missing. Edited by DXZeff 2017-03-20 8:11 AM | ||
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