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Fujitsu 186
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| Hello everyone, I'll like to ask a question about these 3 processors. I know they're not so old to be considered vintage yet, but I think this forum is suited for this.
I've aquiered 3 PC systems:
* a generic PC with an ASUS K8V-MX (Socket 754, AGP 8X, DDR 400MHz up to 2GB, UDMA133, Chipset: VIA K8M800, VIA VT8237R) motherboard, and a Athlon 64 3000+ (ADA3000AIK4BX), 512KB L2 (single core, single thread), 64 bit
* an HP Proliant ML110 with a custom motherboard (Socket 478, PCI + PCIX, DDR 400MHz up to 4GB, ATA100, Chipset: i875P, only 512MB per slot!), and an Intel Prescott/hot P4 @ 2.8GHz, 1M L2 (single core, dual thread), 32 bit
* an Intel D865GVHZ motherboard (Socket 478, PCI only, DDR 400MHz up to 2GB, ATA100, Chipset: i865GV), with an Intel Northwood P4 @ 2.8GHz, 512KB L2 (single core, dual thread), 32 bit
Since I dont really need these machines for anything right now, and even if I do, they consume a lot of energy for even the most non intense tasks, I need to get rid of two of them, just ending up with one.
Besides the processor itself, I think the motherboard may be the key in the decision. However, I don't know which one is better. I need some advice about this, and if someone has been using a similar system, please do tell me what you think.
I know I can swap both intel processors in those two boards, so if one of the Intel boards seems to be the right one, I can choose which CPU will get in that.
By the way, I really like the Proliant case, its heavy as fuck. Nevertheless, one of its side panels is missing. No HDDs nor any expansion boards were left in any system. All motherboards have SATA 1 on them.
So, well, i'll wait for your feedback. Thanks! (and sorry for the bad english)
Edited by cocus 2017-04-24 4:29 AM
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IDT WinChip
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Proliant ML110 is a server, I am guessing your box is a Proliant ML110 G1 which matches the specs you stated exactly. The board looks like a standard ATX but without AGP, you will be limited to
PCI graphics cards, which while there are several newer nvidia GPU's that have been used on PCI video cards, they are sometimes hard to find and expensive. If the system had an AGP port, I would say go with that, as the 875P is top dog chipset for S478.
Of the 3 choices, none of them are particularly good frankly because the Proliant lacks AGP, and the Athlon has more of a low end board ASUS board, I'd probably stick with the Athlon 3000+ 2GB should be enough for what the processor would be capable of running anyway. S754's are great chips, 939 would have more options though. Use XP, turn off all the services you don't need, and it will use very little memory, saving a large amount of the 2GB for whatever games/programs you might want to run on it.
Edited by waybacktech 2017-04-24 5:13 PM
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TM Crusoe
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Location: Hull, UK | I worked on an ML115 once. I believe it was basically the same system but with an Opteron 1000, it seemed solid.
Much as I like the Pentium 4, I'd have to say the 754 Athlon has proven itself to me against the odds and starting from a 3000+ leaves you quite a lot of potential upgrade and downgrade room if you need that. Although, if you're not planning on doing anything with 3D graphics the ProLiant will always take my vote, but still the Athlon 64 is likely to be by far the most flexible system in the long run. | |
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Fujitsu 186
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| waybacktech - 2017-04-24 12:58 PM
Proliant ML110 is a server, I am guessing your box is a Proliant ML110 G1 which matches the specs you stated exactly. The board looks like a standard ATX but without AGP, you will be limited to
PCI graphics cards, which while there are several newer nvidia GPU's that have been used on PCI video cards, they are sometimes hard to find and expensive. If the system had an AGP port, I would say go with that, as the 875P is top dog chipset for S478.
Of the 3 choices, none of them are particularly good frankly because the Proliant lacks AGP, and the Athlon has more of a low end board ASUS board, I'd probably stick with the Athlon 3000+ 2GB should be enough for what the processor would be capable of running anyway. S754's are great chips, 939 would have more options though. Use XP, turn off all the services you don't need, and it will use very little memory, saving a large amount of the 2GB for whatever games/programs you might want to run on it.
Yes, it's a Server, and i kinda like the case. But it lacks one side panel, which makes it not so good. It doesn't have any AGP as you said, and I think thats the killer (or maybe not) to use for some kind of "not so old" software.
DXZeff - 2017-04-24 2:03 PM
I worked on an ML115 once. I believe it was basically the same system but with an Opteron 1000, it seemed solid.
Much as I like the Pentium 4, I'd have to say the 754 Athlon has proven itself to me against the odds and starting from a 3000+ leaves you quite a lot of potential upgrade and downgrade room if you need that. Although, if you're not planning on doing anything with 3D graphics the ProLiant will always take my vote, but still the Athlon 64 is likely to be by far the most flexible system in the long run.
Indeed, Im not going to use 3D at all. I was thinking in using the resulting PC as a local development Win2012 server, which actually means I need the AMD, since that OS is x64 only. So sad.
However, and on a final note, the motherboard of the Proliant has some bad caps (which I can replace), but the point is, the "not so server-grade Asus" has none. And yes, its arguibly that the server did ran 24/7 (which I dont know for sure) and the PC with the Asus motherboard didn't.
On a final note, I have another motherboard from an older proliant (I think it was an ML100) which has a nice 900MHz Pentium3 and 128MB of PC133 ECC ram, and scsi disks. That is more appealing to me, vs the newer proliant, which is not vintage at all.
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IDT WinChip
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Location: USA | The only P4 Socket 478 produced with 64bit capabilities was the Pentium 4 511 Prescott 2.8/1/533 SL7E2. If that is what is currently installed into the Proliant, then it is 64 bit capable. | |
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Fujitsu 186
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| It's not whats installed. It's the Prescott 2.8Ghz with 1M of L2, and 800Mhz of FSB.
I have a newer socket 755 mother with a P4 as well (x64 if my memory serves me well), which might be even better than the 3 contestants. I think I'll throw away the 3 systems (and I'll keep the case + PSU of the proliant).
Nevertheless, I'll like to play with the Proliant before throwing it away, and do some I/O benchmarks (not 3D related since there is no point).
For now, I think I'll play with a IBM PS2 model 25 motherboard that I found in the trash about 10 years ago. I dont have anything else besides that, so it'll be a nice experience.
Edited by cocus 2017-04-24 11:30 PM
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