Recently Played/Bought/Messed with
DXZeff
Posted 2016-11-08 12:15 AM (#71)
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This kind of thread is generally obligatory on boards like this. So, done anything interesting lately? Bought some shiny new gadgets, or dusty old boards? Started playing a game you've not had time to enjoy in a while or merely ogled at an application, maybe tampered with something in a configuration? Post about it here. Images and screenshots are of course welcome.

As for me I've recently been playing Need for Speed III. Out of all the series, who knows how many there are now, none have ever felt the same as this one and I always come away feeling like I've had a good time when it's over. The difficulty in Class B cars is much higher than I remember it, both A and C are easier. It does, however, run strangely on my Athlon machine. If I use Direct3D it locks up and it also likes to drift to the right when playing regardless of which controller I use. I guess it's a testament to the sheer bollocks of the Athlon that I can ramp the resolution and visuals up something stupid whilst only drawing on the CPU in Software mode.

we do have a candidate for when I get that Voodoo 3 going in something though as it seems to have 3DFX support as well as Direct3D.

I also bought parts I needed to do video capture with the Xeon. All this junk just to get a signal into the machine...

...And it's still a bit shaky, still no audio. Can't flaw the Xeon itself though, that thing is awesome so far. Guess I'll have to look into getting another card in the future, I believe the newer models fixed this problem but I'm unsure of if it works at the lower resolutions. In short, seems I'll still be relying on the scaler more than I want to, but nothing is ever perfect. At that point, I'm sure this old card will still be useful somehow, just don't really know where yet. The parts I ordered are now useless for the task of capturing, but I have immediately found a use for those elsewhere, now I just need cables to implement my idea. They will, indirectly make capturing easier in the future along with general use of machines on each desk. Notably the switch box as it also switches DIN keyboards, so if I get an RS-232 switch box I can share the basic peripherals between multiple machines, useful in such a small house along with how many of my monitors didn't get here.

I have also briefly looked into changing the forum's IMG tag, but it doesn't seem I can do so reliably. I guess we're stuck just having to edit it if the site you host images on doesn't provide that format of the tags. I'm claiming it's their fault as I've been on other boards that work this way. I've also dabbled with the new synth, mostly testing as it hasn't been working properly. I'll probably sell it off in a few months, don't expect more than one song to use it as it has a strong dislike of being connected to any of my gear and managed not only to repeatedly crash itself, but to also crash my Pentium. I didn't even know that was possible, guess I'll have to see what's going on with the MIDI ports in case it's firing weird voltages down the cable. They are supposed to be optically isolated.
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cj71984
Posted 2016-11-11 3:01 AM (#76 - in reply to #71)
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well ive been busy first off i went cooler crazy added some new coolers to see if i can over clock a ti4600 i got also replaced the cooler on my geforce 3 golden sample thing was overheating like crazy now it runs nice and cool https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-tQevIUZut2X1Q1dmRCTVdMQ2VEbmRDQ1h... and heres the video for the ti4600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBDLuZx5oqk&feature=youtu.be
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-11-11 9:41 AM (#77 - in reply to #76)
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The new coolers should make things much better than they were. It's an area where I have paranoia and tend to prefer vastly over cooling things wherever possible.

There's something special about the Ti 4600, or I've always thought so. Back when it was the latest thing I really wanted one but couldn't afford one, I had to sit there and look on in envy as my friend ran a 4800 (non-SE) whilst I was stuck with the puny MX420 which was nothing more than a GeForce 2 under the hood, I didn't finally get hold of one until a few years ago and it's everything I always dreamed it would be. My 4600 is factory overclocked and has a larger cooler (Though oddly, I have a 4800SE with the ASUS cooler you used in the video) but I may have to modify it because the fan seems to be getting slower and adding oil isn't fixing it anymore. It's an ASUS V8460 Deluxe;

I can't remember the model number for my 4800SE but it's a pretty boring looking card and doesn't work properly anyway. Plus the 4600 is faster.


While I'm here, I've ordered two cases, these;

One is for a mystery Pentium-class machine which needs a few other parts (notably a SCSI hard drive, I'll grab that shortly) and the second is for my K5. This suggests the mystery machine is not an AMD and being "Pentium-class" it's not an Intel. Further hints; It's not a Cyrix, we are far, /far off the beaten path here. One case might end up housing the Pentium 66 though as I'm going to move that to a case the motherboard actually fits in, could be anything, waiting until these get here to see how best go about this transition and which case to use for what hardware. Abit put that heatsink in a really awkward spot.
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-11-21 9:33 AM (#94 - in reply to #71)
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Need to find drivers for this when it gets here, currently trying to get in touch with Hauppague, I know the file names so hopefully I can track them down.


Also got my hands on a rather SCSI hard drive;
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-11-22 12:01 AM (#96 - in reply to #94)
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My Pentium is now in its new case and another board is set to take its place in the old one. The K5 is also set to be rebuilt shortly with some changes to components, notably a Terratec sound card, the SB16 is going with the other machine I'm tampering with for its MKE interface and potential issues with drivers on an obscure platform.

That aside I'm still up to no good;

Realized I needed a cable for the WinTV Cinema Pro card, I have also located the software and - real shock - Hauppauge actually replied to my support request but no longer have the files in their archive. If anyone comes here looking for the drivers for the Cinema Pro you can grab them here; https://www.mediafire.com/?7d6nblv0bnpm07w

Also I've accuired a rather strange VGA card, I am not entirely sure what it does but love obscure hardware;

Comes with software, appears to have TV output but here's an extra socket I literally cannot guess at. Potential candidate to replace the broken one in my 386 which is currently relying on Rizla packets to stay alive and hasn't fared well since coming here, it's Hooker's old card so it figures that it is worn out. I plan to fix the old card as well eventually, likely passing it down to another machine which is currently very weak in the video department assuming this new one works out well in here or works the way I think it does.

I also got my grubby hands on an ISA Host Adapter to replace the scrap one in my Pentium, I'm tired of the random "Floppy Disk(s) fail 40" messages and issues with COM2 now, and I can't seem to kick the old card into life. It always was shaky and will go on the spares pile. No point posting a picture of this one because I expect everyone around these parts knows what an ISA Multi I/O board looks like, they're pretty generic to be honest, the only feature that really varies is that this one has no game port, some did.


Hopefully I can finally sit down, play some games and work on some video soon. I think I've found a temporary means of capturing with the Xeon until I get around to grabbing the updated StarTech board. I'll keep the old one for the Pentium D as I'd still like to use it as a secondary capture machine until it eventually gives up anyway, it'll come in handy when I get back to messing with my cartoon whilst lightening the load on the Athlon, I don't need audio for that so the lack of this feature is irrelevant there.

Unsure if this post was more a blog or not. I have footage from working on the Pentium though, so I'll post that in the relevant thread in the coming days if all goes to plan. May double-post with a video from before YouTube just for the lulz of how awful everything used to look and sound.

Edit: Helps if I remember to add the link I intended to add, doesn't it? Bah, too tired, think it's time to sleep.

Edited by DXZeff 2016-11-22 12:03 AM
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Brostenen
Posted 2016-11-25 12:52 AM (#103 - in reply to #71)
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Well...
I bought an Audician32 soundcard, from the UK. One of the good thing about them, are that it can be bought new and it is SB-Pro compatible.
It has OPL core build into the chip and it is ISA. Great card for the money. Then I bought an S3 805 VLB card.

At this moment I am messing around with an FIC 486 VIP IO board, with a modded BIOS (yes, it should be one someone here knows).
I have had it running stable with an 5x86-133, yet now it has become really unstable. So I am investigating what seems to be the problem.
It have tested with cpu's from 486dx33 over 486dx2-66 to 5x86-133, yet it randomly shuts down.
The time it takes from power on to shut down, are dictated by how long it has been powered off.

I have given the board a complete fresh jumper set, and this makes no difference.

So I am beginning to suspect the cache ram.
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Dinomite
Posted 2016-11-25 8:05 PM (#106 - in reply to #71)
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Ive recently been modding my friends consoles and therefore buying some stuff needed for it.
I gifted him some stuff and the rest was bought my friend himself.

We have bought:
500GB IDE HDD
Molex Y Splitter
Male Xbox to Female USB Cable
microSD to Memory Stick Duo Adapter
Dual microSD to Memory Stick Duo Adapter
500GB Western Digital SATA USB HDD
microSD 16GB + microSDXC 128GB (I think? Somewhere between 128 and 160)
2GB SD Transcend (2x)

The other things we used was stuff i already had.

First i Softmodded his original Xbox.
To get the exploit onto the Xbox, I used my PSP by formatting the 32mb Memory Stick to FATX and putting the game saves and exploits on it. I connected it via the Xbox to USB cable and it acted like a Memory Unit.
To install it i used Splinter Cell. I booted the game and loaded up the newly added save file. It booted the Xbox into a softmod menu. From there i backed everything up and installed the UnleashX Dashboard. (Best one in my opinion.) Shortly after, i unplugged the console and opened it up. I connected the Molex Y splitter and put in the Hard drive next to the official one and turned the console on. I hotswapped the data cable with the new drive and turned on a program that allowed me to lock the drive and assign it to the console. When that was done, i put the new drive in its place and i closed the console back up. I did keep the old one though, you never know if it will fuck up one day and the only way to turn it on would be with said drive. As of this post, that console is filled to the brim with games and emulators. (About 8 million roms)
I also plan to install 128mb ram and a new processor so it can run Sega Chihiro Games for him but thats for another time.

Moving onto the Wii, I softmodded it quite easily using LetterBomb. The only tricky part was getting an SD card that actually worked. Thankfully bol.com had the exact one we were searching for and for a low price at that.
The 500GB drive was NTSF instead of FAT32 so Nintendont would not recognise the Gamecube Isos. I had to forcefully format it with some asian program but it turned out awesome in the end and i filled it with alot of Gamecube Isos + some Demo's and Sonic Gamecube Betas / Protos.

I also softmodded his PSP simply by updating it to have Custom Firmware. The tricky part here was getting the bloody adapter to work. The dual adapter would not format correctly and was very slow. When i finally got it all running, the fucking thing would take ages to play one game so i said fuck it and grabbed the single MicroSD adapter. It worked like a freaking charm and my friend got 128 GB of PS1 and PSP goodness. This sadly ment that the 16GB microSD could not be used so he let me have it. Later on it miraculously started working pseudo-normally with one card inserted so i kept it as a backup of sorts.

If this interests any of you, i will create a guide on how to softmod your original Xbox pretty soon!

Edited by Dinomite 2016-11-25 10:37 PM
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cj71984
Posted 2016-11-26 6:17 PM (#107 - in reply to #71)
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well i decided to clean up a packard bell i use to use and found out it has 2usb not 1 lol they hid the other one.. found this old data translation card i have no idea what its for .


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-tQevIUZut2YS11c0tyeWxpZ0E

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-tQevIUZut2OWcwUUJmVlhSZmM

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-tQevIUZut2cXFnVkxGOHQ2Rlk

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-tQevIUZut2UlhjWUlBQ2FMS0U

sorry not really sure how to post pics from a outside source




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Brostenen
Posted 2016-11-27 11:41 PM (#110 - in reply to #107)
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Bought an Dreamblaster S1 "Limited Black Edition".
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Robman
Posted 2016-11-28 10:32 PM (#111 - in reply to #110)
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Had the itch to play with some hardware last night, took apart my Thinkpad T43 and put new paste on the CPU.. runs cooler now :D
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-11-29 1:32 AM (#112 - in reply to #71)
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@Brostenen; The Audician? I was just looking at my one as a candidate in a machine which needs a CD interface, probably going to use the SB16/MKE instead though as I feel like using the Terratec in the K5, leaving the SB16 free for something else. They're good cards though, the Yamaha 719, certainly much better than some of the other clones out there. Is that going to be hooked up to the 719 then?

@Dinomite; Certainly can't go wrong with modding a console to do more stuff without the need for unreliably optical discs. Of course, these ISOs are homebrew/backup images, as far as we know

@cj71984; Not the first time I've seen hidden ports like that and I'm sure I've seen another PB hiding USB ports. I wonder if they offered the same machine with the second port open and charged more for it. Can't guess at what the translation card was used for, but there seem to be a few of them out there. Google Drive doesn't appear to be forum friendly, I hear good things about Imgur but haven't used it myself, thinking I may start as people have complained about PostImg's ads attempting to do underhanded things.

@Robman; As I have to glue heatsinks on more and more, I worry increasingly about the paste becoming ineffective in the future. Luckily I do only glue the corners and use regular paste in the middle.


Some of the junk I ordered is here, but I still need a couple of things before I can do anything with it. I've also tried recording with my N64 but the StarTech wants none of it, going to see if I can use the Athlon as I'd expect older boards (That has a Bt878-based card) to be better at that anyway. For some reason I've really, really wanted to play Banjo Kazooie again just lately and I wanted to record it just for the hell of it. The strange video card is, as I suspected, a VGA card with TV out, including RGB. According to the manual it does some very interesting things, claims broadcast quality conversion and had a frame grabbing expansion board for external sources I'd like to track down at some stage. I need to get a 1.2M floppy drive going to read the disks, but that's a small obstacle that I'll get onto soon, probably when I'm less tired. Two of the disks aren't listed in the manual.

I need to get my hands on an SD card reader as the one in my laptop has broken. Shouldn't exactly be hard, it's not like they're an uncommon format or anything. I do have old readers, but they top out with 1GB cards, so they're not really useful for the 8GB and 32GB ones I use in the cameras. Seems I also need to get hold of some fan screws as I've run out, I may just bulk order each common screw type as I'm tired of running out every few months and I'm sure I'll use them eventually.
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Robman
Posted 2016-11-29 9:08 AM (#113 - in reply to #112)
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My G/F's niece has a thinkpad t400, she got a new laptop but the t400 powers on and basically keeps resetting. The screen is dead the whole time and the hdd doesn't show any activity but it is spinning.

Took it all apart, cleaned it.. put on new thermal paste for cpu and gpu, tried the reset of pulling battery out, removing the power plug and then holding the power button for 10s..30sec.. 1 minute, 2 minute, pressing 10 times etc... Tried all variants in ram stick juggling, took the cmos battery out and tried to reset and drain the power with it out and in.

I've arrived at the conclusion that it must have a malfunctioning motherboard, sad because I've fixed this machine before but it was just software related, reinstalled windows. I don't mind thinkpads really, they're usually pretty tough.

I might add that fully disassembling\reassembling a t400 is much more involved than the t43 was.

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Dinomite
Posted 2016-11-29 4:43 PM (#114 - in reply to #113)
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Just got a great deal with this:

Watara / Quickshot Supervision with manual and 7 games for 20 euro's and 6,95 euro shipping. If that aint a good deal, NOTHING is!

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Brostenen
Posted 2016-11-29 8:23 PM (#115 - in reply to #114)
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Got that FIC 486 VIP IO board running. The source of the problem, was the ATX to AT converter cable.
I used one that I bought on eBay, thinking everything was good.
What was the issue it self, was the PWR_OK signal not being active, and the ATX psu got seriously confused.

When I used my homemade cable, taken from my dx2-66 machine (Lucky Star LS486e based) it fired
right up and kept running during 6 times superscape (3x 1.0 and 3x 1.0c) plus 2 speedsys run.
I played dynablaster two times for 30 minutes straight, one time with an S3-805 vlb and one time with
an Cirrus Logic 5446 PCI card.

On a 5x86-133, using the S3 VLB card, Superscape 1.0 gave 58.8 and Superscape 1.0c gave 56,1
This is mighty fine for a 486 based system.

EDIT:
Bought a NOS 486 CPU cooler with fan.

Edited by Brostenen 2016-11-29 8:45 PM
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Nikolaos
Posted 2016-11-30 1:49 PM (#116 - in reply to #71)
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Robman, for the T400, try to disconnect the bios battery, wait sth like 30s and reconnect it again. I had an issue similar to this.
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Robman
Posted 2016-11-30 6:50 PM (#117 - in reply to #116)
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Thanks for the input

Indeed I tried that too.. still nothing, same symptoms. As much as I never like to give up on hardware, I think the motherboard is shot.
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Brostenen
Posted 2016-11-30 7:08 PM (#118 - in reply to #117)
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I bought an VLB controller. It is UMC based. Now I am missing a VLB/ISA 486 motherboard.
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Brostenen
Posted 2016-12-01 10:23 AM (#121 - in reply to #118)
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Got these CPU's running on my FIC 486 VIP IO board:

- Intel 486dx33
- AMD 486dx2-80
- AMD 5x86-133

Beginning to figure out just how this board actually hangs together, regarding jumpersettings.
Lots of hair pulling and nail biting. Good times, good times. :-)

(And lots of help asked on the net, because I have no solid experience in VLB-ISA-PCI-combo boards)

Edited by Brostenen 2016-12-01 10:31 AM
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Brostenen
Posted 2016-12-03 4:31 PM (#123 - in reply to #121)
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Changed the voltage regulator on my Lucky Star LS486e board. Now it can do 3.xx volt CPU's
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-12-03 7:27 PM (#124 - in reply to #123)
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It's an odd board that FIC. I'd guess that by now you've discovered that jumper settings they provide weren't always the best place to actually have them.

@Nikolaos; It's surprising how often that works, my Dell used to get itself into a state where it wouldn't power on, just black screen and then turn itself off. Removing the internal battery for a while invariably fixed it.

@Robman; I suspect it's probably a victim of modern mass produced parts and shoddy BGAs.



I, myself, have been busy. First off I backed up the server and I've also recorded around 30 hours of footage for a Let's Play, an N64 game, whilst waiting on pieces I need to do other things on the main channel. The machine I've been playing with is really awkward, stubborn, and for whatever reason starts going mental if I try to use high color or high res modes in Windows, regardless of which video card or driver I use. Also seems my VLB controller has also succumb to the floppy problems two of my ISA ones have, wondering why this is a running theme. I think it's just a missing cap this time though as it got mangled in the move and I had to break it off because it was leaking on the board, sometimes you can get away with removing one or two of them temporarily but that might not be the case on this system with this card. Guess I'll have to look into buying a soldering iron as it seems my last one was in with the stuff which was taken from the shed. It was busted anyway, pity anyone that plugs it in actually as it wasn't really safe. They're cheap enough and I was going to get a new one anyway. If that doesn't work then I guess I'll have to get another host adapter, but I'd put money on it being that missing cap.

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Brostenen
Posted 2016-12-04 1:11 AM (#125 - in reply to #124)
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DXZeff - 2016-12-03 9:27 PM

It's an odd board that FIC. I'd guess that by now you've discovered that jumper settings they provide weren't always the best place to actually have them.


Yes. It is not allways true what TH99 states. Anyway...
The BIOS should be one that you have modded, and mailed/send to someone in Romania for rom-burning. (it states "mod" when pc turned on)
If true, that you have enabled "486 streaming" in the code, then job well done. Nothing about it, makes the BIOS unstable.

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DXZeff
Posted 2016-12-05 9:05 AM (#126 - in reply to #71)
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I honestly don't remember what I did by this stage. My time playing with BIOSes was short lived, mostly involving enabling a PCI Divider on my MB-4DUPM and replacing the EPA logo on my 5AGM2 with a Fission symbol (U-02 Pollution Creator) for a laugh.

TH99 often flat out doesn't have documentation for my stuff these days it seems, but that's probably because I keep dredging up increasingly obscure hardware that nobody else is likely to have a use for. Case and point, see attachment.

This was captured with the card above, the Hauppauge. Pointless fact - either this model or the Celebrity was actually the first capture board I owned, I seem to think I had the Celebrity because I don't remember there being PnP capability, but I can't be certain as it was a long time ago now. I'm amazed at how much I remember regarding the oddities of the software and how the card works. I have been unable to record video though as I get an error message to the effect of "WARNING: No frames were captured, ensure Vertical Sync Interrupt Buffers are Enabled and Configured." when I try. I shall try to image the floppies at some point as they don't exist anywhere else that I can find, some are missing however. The internal audio header is also not working and the Line-In on my PAS16 is already in use, guess I could feed a wire back into the case from the rear jack to the mixer on the Scenic board as I have to feed things into there because that's already using the AUX header on the PAS. Whatever, if I do manage to capture some video I shall post it here in all it's grainy, washed-out 15fps glory. Two things I find amusing are that the S-Video adapter from my Intensity works on this card and the card can sync numerous modes which both the Intensity and StarTech cannot even lock onto, it also has better latency, umm, yeah. Field interpolation is garbage though by today's standards and it looks a tad weird if things move sideways, looks awful with it disabled. My last words on it for now are that if you ever wondered about the exclude command on EMM386 and the "None Cachable Block / Memory Hole" options in the BIOS were used for, well, now you know. Very tiring device to set up and use, completely worth it for the novelty if nothing else, though I really would like to capture with it.

For the record, every slot is occupied in that system now, aside from the one PCI slot which shares with an ISA, so I can't populate it... Or can I?
No, I can't think of anything to install in there now to be honest.

Also, that ADDA video card is what I thought, it has a broadcast quality TV-Out circuit and can output Scart/RGB with some weird frame rate conversion. Have to wonder what it will do in obscure CGA modes. According to the manual, many expansions were available including a frame grabber, capable of VGA with a pass-thru among other things, which I'd like to track down some day.



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Brostenen
Posted 2016-12-05 12:04 PM (#127 - in reply to #126)
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Mmmmm.... N64. :-P

Yeah. Sometimes TH99 is lackfull of information. That does not mean that you can't source it online.
I had a huge problem once, getting the manual for an Creative CT6080 MP400 card.
To my luck, there was a youtube video and I asked the owner if he had a copy.

Anyway....
To make things short, I got that dude (living in south america) to scan that for me.
And I uploaded it for people to have a copy.

Still no luck in getting the FIC to run 5volt CPU's. It is however rock stable with an Amd 486dx2-80.
And it gives me 50 flat out in Superscape. Jazzrabit runs smooth and so does Doom. No complaints.
I kind of like it this way. Close enough to what I had back in 1995, yet a tad obscure when I look
at what other people are running with their VLB cards. :-D

When I want just a tiny more power, I will start up my 5x86-133 or my P-166 system. (Duke3D)
And a little less power, I will start up my 386sx33 system. Good for Syndicate or Monkey Island.

Edited by Brostenen 2016-12-05 12:07 PM
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DXZeff
Posted 2016-12-05 10:36 PM (#129 - in reply to #127)
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I'd had the N64 hooked up to another machine just inches away, so it was the quickest thing to test with. I'd rather it was the SNES or the Mega Drive.

Sometimes resources do turn up in unexpected places, sometimes they even turn up with the thing itself when they weren't expected to as was the case with the TV card - the manual is full of errors though, so that's not very useful.

No 5V? The way the board does that is a bit odd, you'll notice if, assuming the keyboard port is top left, you look at the top right of the board near the CPU there is an unused header with lots of pins next to the voltage regulators. Usually these boards defaulted to 5 Volts and a voltage regulator would plug into that header. I'm somewhat suspicious that this particular one is hard wired that way, but I also do remember a jumper, one that I think the docs miss, in that general area. It was a two pin jumper and I remember that the solder had come away underneath. I did fix it, and you'd be able to see the burn marks on the mask if you looked under there, my iron was pretty busted by that point though (hence the mess) and struggled to defeat the thermal mass of its own blade, let alone components on a board, so it may have come away again or else you neglected it if the documents don't mention what it does. So far as I remember one pin is tied to the supply 5V on the voltage regulator and it bypasses it when shorted.
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I don't think the board it self came from you. It was only the bios code that you had modded, and then a fellow retro-friend in Romania burned that onto a blank chip. :-) So don't worry. It will run an Intel 486dx2 for half an hour and then it will get unstable and shut down. Yet it is set up as an 486dx2-80 right now, and I am really happy with this setup. I will be getting a VLB controller this week in the mail, and I have a couple of PCI vga cards (CL-5446, Trio64 and Virge-325) that I can use with the FIC.

Now I need to source a VLB mobo, in order to build a VLB non-PCI system in the future. After all these builds of K6-II/III's and Pentium3's, I kind of like 386 and 486 class systems the best. True I love both a good P3/Voodoo3 and P3/TNT2 systems equally. And they are great fun, when gaming UT99. Overall, they are just not as fun as 486 systems. Yeah... The reason must be, that I used 286 to 486 machines in my teenage years. (89 to 95)

I am thinking in terms of a 486dx2-66 system with S3-805 VLB, VLB controller, 8mb Ram and SB16. Just as it was for a standard machine in 1994/95.

Anyway....
Started to build a new computer, tearing "The FanBoy" apart. It was an Asus P5A, K6-II-500, 128mb, Asus TNT2-Pro, Asus SCSI controller, Asus ribbon cables and an AWE64-Gold. All that Asus stuff that it seemed fine to name it "The FanBoy", because this would have been what a real Asus/SS7-fanboy would have picked back in 1999.

Now it is going to be a P-166 system.


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This was "The FanBoy" machine...

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Posted 2016-12-06 9:39 PM (#132 - in reply to #130)
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The mailman had this with him today...
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Posted 2016-12-07 4:10 AM (#134 - in reply to #132)
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I'm still waiting for my ISA one to get here.


I think my EliteBook just gave up the ghost, died in the middle of writing a document and won't power back on, it had also started running into serious heat problems regardless of new paste and cleaned heatsinks. The repair costs were already higher than a replacement laptop anyway, so I won't be fixing it at this stage. Guess it's time to look at a new one. I am, however, really impressed it kept running so long, the case was heavily dented, the keyboard was also warped and the screen was pierced from the back casing all the way through to the chassis in front of the keyboard, damaging the WiFi card in the process and yet, the laptop kept running. It did well and I think it had good years left in it, a shame, but at least it died gracefully instead of killing the hard drive or something.

Edit: Acquired this as I'd been watching it for a while along with a few others;


Will have to replace the keyboard at some point, no way I'm using a shitty UK layout, it doesn't make sense. I'll worry about that later though, should be fine with the UK one for now. Spec list;
EliteBook 8760w
Core i7-2620M @ 2.7? GHz
1TB Hard Drive (Please don't be Hitachi, the original drives are generally WD but this one is not the original, if it's a Deathstar I will be furious!)
16GB RAM
nVidia Quadro 3000M with 2GB Dedicated GDDR5
Other things you'd expect by 2011 like USB 3 and whatnot.

Only real gripe is the 1600x1900 screen, I mean really? It was the best I could find without the price going too high, people seem to not want the 1920x1080 display so I'm stuck with this crappy low resolution one, fuck sake, at least it's not shiny I guess and it should at least be a good 1600x900 screen if my 8540w's display was anything to go by. Still pathetic though for the time, I'd expect at least 1920x1080 by then, especially on a 17" display but guess what? They made an even lower resolution model. Ha. Well, as long as it works and it has to be better than the god awful LCD monitor I've been stuck using on the 8540w since I got here I guess. Otherwise, seems like it should be an awesome laptop, but I won't know until it gets here and at this time of year that could take a while.


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Posted 2016-12-08 3:23 AM (#136 - in reply to #71)
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Dug out a 90MHz Pentium chip for use in a video and realised something unusual about it. I bought it quite a while ago from a fairly big collector who knows his stuff, yet, apparently, he missed this feature... See anything odd in the markings?



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Posted 2016-12-08 2:13 PM (#137 - in reply to #136)
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Have no clue on what it is. :-)

For me, I have been taking some soundcards for a spin, just to hear them stacked up against each other.

- Tango 100 with shitty adlib implementation, yet awesomme midi capeablilities. As it has one of them early Dream-Synth.
- AWE64 Value. Generic sounding, shitty yet a bit better Adlib implementation than the Tango.
- Mozart based OPL4 card. Has trouble playing OPL2/3 in stereo. Testtool play's FM in stereo.

Need to find me a way of recording these cards, not using the usual suspect's in terms of all the games everyone else uses
for this purpouse.

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Posted 2016-12-08 11:58 PM (#139 - in reply to #137)
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I have begun making recordings of DynaBlaster. That game is one of those that only sound right on a real OPL chip.
So far, I have done 4 recordings. Using AWE64 and Media Vision Jazz16. Title track and first level including the cutscene.

Recordings (some large files)

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Posted 2016-12-12 1:48 PM (#141 - in reply to #139)
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I can definitely hear the difference, some very thin scratchy tones going on with the AWE64 there, makes me want to re-record the DN2 soundtrack, or just more soundtracks, though more people seem to be doing them properly now instead of using inaccurate emulators.

Sorry I've been quiet lately, I've had a lot going on but my silence has not been completely fruitless; http://imgur.com/a/WnZ3A
Supposedly the Xeon can render this at 1920x1080p25 in about 1.5 hours. I believe it, because it rendered about 13 hours of SD footage, which had to be scaled and de-interlaced, in around 2.5 hours. Kicks major ass. The video on the other hand probably will have some mistake I missed and end up having to render it again, no matter how many times I check this always happens. At least it doesn't take up 20 or more hours of my day now every time I have to render a video.
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Posted 2016-12-13 2:48 PM (#143 - in reply to #141)
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Yeah...
The Jazz souds correct, with the full spectrum of sounds and frequency's as it should.
The AWE64 on the other hand, is first of all missing the fatty warm sound, it sounds thin in a way.
The AWE64 is has a artificial treble sound, and some tones are actually missing. Mostly in the bass area.
Some halftones are missing too. Sounds like a hard change between notes and not sliding in between each other.
In other words, the AWE64 is like OPL emulation in DosBox, when playing the music in DynaBlaster.
(sometimes even worse) Plus the AWE64 has an annoying pumping sound, something are being played harsh.

Don't know if all this is what you hear too.
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Posted 2016-12-14 6:38 PM (#146 - in reply to #71)
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That is exactly what I hear. I've dug out a motherboard in recent times, one which I remember having a particularly odd sounding FM implementation. It had an oddly smoothed off sound to it and whilst not accurate, I did find that I sort of liked it. I don't know if I'll ever run it again and currently lack the resources to, but if I ever do fire it up I'll try to record it... Unless I can find some recordings from when it was briefly one of the only machines I had access to, I think I have a recording of some Duke Nukem II music somewhere from it.

Edit: Oh, yeah, I still have those recordings - https://www.mediafire.com/?cacg9ziv9bv6516
Also, there are some photos in that folder, including one where you can see my desk as it appeared in 2004 when the photos were taken. They would have been shot shortly before I wound up stuck with the 486 for a few months, which would be why the unstable Cyrix machine was being used to edit video, likely the Athlon 64 had already died and I was loaning this to get by. Inevitably I had to return the system to its owner. Likely didn't help that I ended up in the care of social services just 9 days after the photos were taken (and 18 days after NUKEM.WAV was recorded) either and so I had no means to borrow the system again, having to cobble together the 486 until April of the next year. You can see my old VCR (I still have it) and a TV which I loaned as well as my lovely ADI monitor with BTC keyboard and Genius mouse. I still have some of this stuff. In the TV you can see some fat fuck reflected, that was me.

Kinda weird looking back, thinking that unbeknown to me at the time those photos would be some of the final moments of a somewhat normal life at home, frozen forever in time by that small silver camera I started my YouTube channel with.

On a side note, SSDs are for losers (The Xeon uses 4TB WD RE4 mechanical drives) in my opinion :P


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Posted 2016-12-16 4:16 AM (#147 - in reply to #146)
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Yeah... Strange how life tumbles one up and down, and randomly spits one out at a place one never would have thought possible at an earlier stage in life. Can be positive or negative. Depends on if one can settle with what one got at the present, in every stage of life. Yup... Sometimes life results in kids. My children just love Pacman, so there are still hope, that they at one point in life, will apreciate some of my hobby. If not half of it, then at least pacman. Hehe.

Got that Dreamblaster S1 in the mail today. Looking forward to take it for a spin sunday evening or some time during monday.

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Posted 2016-12-16 10:49 AM (#148 - in reply to #147)
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I dunno, I think by far the most troubling thing about those images is my complete disregard for organizing directories properly. Nx586 videos in the Mario 64 folder, no doubt I will regret that decision some day when I want to find the video file.

Hope the Dreamblaster turns out good for you, I've decided that I don't really have a use for one as barely anything I play uses MIDI in that way and I'm generally happy with FM or the MU90R for anything that does. Kinda odd really, seems most of my library goes from using AdLib exclusively to using redbook/PCM with no synthesizer support at all. I also have my eyes on another synthesizer to replace the DX7 with and that will drain any funds I could have thrown at random peripherals until I can get shot of the DX7 to make it back - which I should, because it is worth way more than the device I want to replace it with.

In fact, I should be able to get rid of it at half its worth and still have coins to spare, but it's motivating myself to list it or post it up on a synth forum. It's a shame really, the synth engine is pretty good and it can make some really cool sounds, but the implementation is just so awkward and the documentation (official and online over the past 30 years) is so close to non-existent that it's not worth having for someone like me that actually wants to use it instead of just tapping keys to play factory patches. I've always felt Yamaha made trash in the 80s, but had only used their low-end gear before. I was honestly quite shocked to see that their poor manufacturing, general corner cutting and what I assume to be a total disregard for the end user stretched as far as their flagship professional products back then. Odd how they made up for it so much in the 1990s.
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Posted 2016-12-16 3:05 PM (#149 - in reply to #148)
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I just had my first big Tantalum blowout. I replaced the I/O card in my P66 with a new one because of problems with the old one. Unfortunately when I hit power there was a bang and the PSU shut off, a tantalum has smoked up and burned through my new IDE cable. Luckily it was only tied to power and ground, so it simply tripped the PSU and made a bad smell, it'll take more than that to kill Zoe! So at least the machine is OK, nothing expensive or hard to replace was damaged. Tempted to return the card, but as they're expensive anyway I may as well try to fix it, I'd guess it was a 100uf cap but as it's only on power pins to a chip I could use almost any size. There's even a chance the card would work without it, but I suppose it would be wise to replace all the Tantalums before they all blow up if I'm going to fix it. I'll take a picture of the skid marks if you want, but I've seen far worse. Glad the IDE ribbon caught the debris and not the WinTV above, or the PAS below, that would have been far worse than losing a cable. The round IDE cable I am using now looks stupid in there, but it will work until I find another spare one.

Up to now I've been lucky and they've either gone short without blowing, or else have slowly fried and only the smell has alerted me. Surprisingly, I didn't react with a jump and half expected something to happen - again, my gut instincts are always right it seems. The only chip that has any marks is a 74-series one which the cap is tied to, so if that died I can replace it too.

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Posted 2016-12-16 8:08 PM (#150 - in reply to #149)
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Posted 2016-12-17 11:07 PM (#151 - in reply to #150)
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Recieved an ATX to AT psu converter cable today, and an Arduino Music Shield.
I got the MIDI shield some time ago, alongside 4 x 64x8 cache chips.

Anyway...
Having the MIDI shield and the Music shield, I can now start working on a homemade cheap external GM module.
I know it is not the best one, far from, though I am going for this anyway.
Then I have this cheap tone regulator, that I need to assemble/solder, so I can put some lovely bass/treble control
to that module. Going to be fun, creating a cheap module, that can deliver some natural sounding instruments.
The MusicShield is one of those that can play MP3 files too. Who knows. Might be a feature on the module for the future.

- Arduino MusicShield: 5.38 US Dollars.
- Arduino MIDI Shield: 7.99 US Dollars.
- Tone controller module: 3.42 US Dollars.

Not going to be the best sounding, more or less in the league of an SB PCI-128 with 512k soundfont loaded in Win98.
Though it is going to be external, for use in MS-Dos-6.22 and it is going to be homemade.

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Posted 2016-12-18 2:26 PM (#152 - in reply to #151)
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@Robman; Aye, it's going well so far. Sorry, I haven't logged into your board in a while, had other things going on.

@Brostenen; Seems like a good idea. I considered trying to do something similar with a low power computer or some such, though due to my total ignorance of Arduino and Raspberry, I'd likely use an STPC board to do it.

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Currently getting over a cold, ain't nothing compared to the hay fever I get every summer but it still takes its toll. I'm past the clogged nose and headaches, now I'm just having the annoying coughs and tiredness so it's more of an inconvenience than anything. Probably be gone soon, I have a surprisingly good immune system and rarely does a cold last more than three days. This does mean that I've done very little though, outside of tidying the shed and noticing occasional head crashes on the server. Doesn't matter too much as the drives will be getting an upgrade in a few weeks, it should hang on until then.

Oh, I may be back here later though with some mildly interesting news. Unknown at present, depends how my luck plays out. I also did acquire some more interesting hardware, but I'll share that at a later time when I can get better pictures.
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Posted 2016-12-18 9:30 PM (#153 - in reply to #152)
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Hmm... Guess I should start looking into selling that DX7 soon, huh?

Also, just dug around on my old memory stick from college. Nothing too interesting, but there are some raw resources from early YouTube videos nobody would ever want to see again. Backed it all up anyway as the stick is dying.
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Posted 2016-12-18 11:47 PM (#154 - in reply to #153)
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That look's like a wonderfull keyboard. Though I can not play any instruments, nor do I have any broad knowledge in keyboards.
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Posted 2016-12-20 3:15 PM (#155 - in reply to #154)
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Been soldering today. Got that MusicShield powered on.

It needs 5volt and 3.3 volt. For that I used a molex and a stepdown converter.
The 5 volt went straight into 5volt input on the shield.
The 12 volt were connected to the stepdown converter, wich were set to 3.3 volt output.
That output, went straight into the shield. Both grounds were spliced together and went to the gnd on the shield.

So far so good.... Now I need to test if the MIDI shield will start in MIDI-Synthesizer-mode on the Music Shield.
Or I need to connect GPOI#0 to GND and GPIO#1 to 3.3 volt. This will put the shield into MIDI mode on reset.
I just need to test it with the MIDI shield first, to see if it does this or not for me.
If not... Then more soldering.

To test it out. I think I will use a soundcard and Doom in dos. This will not be today though.

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Posted 2016-12-20 7:42 PM (#156 - in reply to #155)
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Still getting over my cold. I have changed the CinemaPro in my Pentium to a Celebrity and can now capture video, but my video card isn't working properly, freezes with garbage when playing an MPEG and occasionally garbles in Windows anyway. Initially I thought I had borked the drivers and restored an image of the drive taken prior to either card being installed (Incidentally, the drive can image in about 12 minutes, so this is no hardship. SCSI FTW) but it behaves the same. I think it is probably the Trio part of the card and not the MVP1100, so if it is broken I should be able to replace it as there are several boards with that connector on them.

I am considering doing something long overdue and re-making my YouTube channel trailer thing, the one I have is outdated so much it's not even funny. I'd like to keep it around the 2:30 mark at most. I may try to slap a preliminary script together later tonight if nothing gets in my way.


@Brostenen; Good to know there is progress and I look forward to seeing - or hearing I guess - the end result. I need to get my hands on a new soldering iron.

Some time back, probably October last year, I made a video playing a bunch of DOS MIDI music on the Korg O1. I might use it as the double-upload next video now Flash-Back is done.
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Posted 2016-12-22 11:51 AM (#162 - in reply to #71)
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No luck on that MiDi thingy.... Though I need to get an Raspberry PI now.
I have found something called PiMidi on instructables.
It is an RaspberryPI + Fluidsynth external, standalone midi synth.

Anyway...
The shield I bought, were described on the makers Wiki, as being able to handle MIDI-In.
And on a forum, this specific model, were talked about, as setting GPIO#0 low and GPIO#1
high, for realtime midi. What I found, when digging around, was one single post on another
forum with Arduino shields/stuff. Here it was mentioned that both GPIO 0 and 1 was
connected directly to GND on the shield. Well... And the shield I have generates static
noise. So I guess it can not be done for cheap, and the shield I have are DOA.

As I wrote... I need to get an Raspberry PI now. Get some DIN plugs, resistors and other
parts. For building an external MIDI device. So I guess this will have to wait untill I
have more money in and around marts. Yeah....

I tried, failed and I proved to my self that this is just too cheap.
The jurney and idea was good though...

EDIT:
When searching for "pimidi" on google, I get a lot of related stuff.
The building plans, should be the first hit on google, and be a link to the project on Instructables.

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Posted 2016-12-24 12:40 AM (#165 - in reply to #71)
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Been messing with my MAME machine. Now year 6 or 7 in the making.... (Something else allways get's in the way)
Though it has been having an upgrade of hardware one time. From a generic Socket-A to the Socket775 I am using now.
As of now, it is a HP DC-7600. It was upgraded with 4gb Ram (now 5), and from 2.6 to 3.0 ghz P4.
Plus I have installed an Radeon x550 PCI-E gfx card, just to get some more beefy horsepowers.

Anyway...
I have it up and running with Maximus arcade, emulators for Mame, C64, SNES and NeoGeo.
When I am in the console/games selction-menu, it is blasting some nice 80's charts hits as background music. (120 in all)
They are all being played randomly, so you will never know what it will play.

Need to get an arcade controller now or build a complete tabletop out of this. Future will decide.
It has been a lot of years in the making, so another 4 years won't do any difference to me.
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Posted 2016-12-25 9:00 PM (#168 - in reply to #165)
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You're reviving my temptation to build a Total Carnage cabinet and I don't have the room
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Posted 2016-12-26 1:03 AM (#169 - in reply to #168)
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DXZeff - 2016-12-25 11:00 PM

You're reviving my temptation to build a Total Carnage cabinet and I don't have the room


Go tabletop with Raspberry PI and TFT. If space is the problem.

For me, I have tested a Dreamblaster S1 in my 5x86-133 machine. It's an ok device. Not by any chance as good as an SC55.
Yet it is way better than an AWE32/64, and I really do not want to go the way of some big MIDI box taking table space.
If only the AWE64-Gold had WaveTable header and a real OPL chip, then it would have been (to me at least) the ultimate card.
And I really do not like having two cards in one single setup. Hmmm... Vintage computing is filled with endless compromises.
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Posted 2016-12-28 8:22 PM (#171 - in reply to #169)
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Got this for free today....
Pentium One, 24mb Ram, 1gb HDD.

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Posted 2016-12-29 8:10 AM (#172 - in reply to #171)
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I don't do things by half, it's full cabinet or no cabinet.

No, I never liked multiple card setups either, plus they never seem to work right. The only exceptions are things like the SW1000XG and SCC-1 but even those are problematic at best and aren't worth the hassle when modules do a better job cheaper - or they did but they likely cost more now.

Nice laptop, the ThinkPad was always a solid machine in my experience. They're not exactly my first choice, but they pretty much tie with it. The only yuck is your wallpaper tiling.


As I write this you can't see the forum because of a power cut. Not sure why I bothered putting in a UPS for the server if my ISP aren't going to install one for their DSLAM. Connecting to this site is retro in itself as the data has to travel over some rather obsoleted equipment.

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Posted 2016-12-29 9:20 PM (#173 - in reply to #172)
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It is a nice thinkpad that I got. Sturdy and stuff. It does however complain about the BIOS battery being flat.
Probably an easy fix though...... The wallpaper is not my idea. Hehe. It is all as the previous owner left it.
I have a dilemma though. I have absolutely no clue on to what I will be using it for. And I don't know if I am
going to keep it at all. For time being, I am holding on to it, as I need time to investigate how much it is worth.

I will keep an eye out for this model on the market, and in a year or two, I might sell it at a 40% discount.
It all depends on how much it is worth, and how much a new plastic cover for the lid is going to cost me.

The way it is now, I can not sell it to anyone, because the lid it broken at the hinges, and because unknown value.
No plan on cheating my self out of money and will absolutely not sell at those inflated eBay prices.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-05 6:18 PM (#174 - in reply to #173)
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Got for free today.....





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DXZeff
Posted 2017-01-06 10:05 PM (#175 - in reply to #174)
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Neat.

Sorry I've been quiet as of late, I've been weighed down with things. Otherwise I've had work that needs doing in the shed so it can survive the winter and I have spent a lot of time contemplating my existence and what to do with it. Nothing bad, but things have to change drastically and I need to figure out a way of making this happen, it's all a bit stale at the moment.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-06 11:28 PM (#176 - in reply to #175)
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Yeah....
I have been looking at prices on that Tape drive and cartdridges for it.
It's bloody expensive for what I can tell, and there is no way of telling if the drive is working.
And there is no way in hell I can store 400gb uncompressed and 3tb compressed on a retro
machine. And a server is not something that I have.

To be honest.... I have no clue what to do with the bloody thing.
Give away? Sell it? (and at what price) Keep it?
One thing is shure. It would make an expensive door stopper/"Large-Attetude-Reajustment-Tool".
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Posted 2017-01-09 11:31 AM (#178 - in reply to #176)
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The tape drive you have is an LTO2 thing, so the raw capacity is 200gb per tape. I would have a dig on eBay for no other reason than these drives make fun noises when they are working

In fact: six of them for 20 quid http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LTO2-Tapes-Data-Cartridges-x6-Barcoded-20...
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-09 1:32 PM (#179 - in reply to #178)
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Nice.... Sweet.
Yeah. 200gb of data is kind of stupid in terms of old computers. Yet it could be a nice thing to use in a home server.
Though personally, I am using USB harddrives for backing up data instead.

Just investigated that sales add on eBay, and there is no shipping for my country specified, so it might get expensive
and it might not. And if the drive is dead, well... Then I have blown a lot of money on nothing.
The drive are actually quite expensive as far as I can tell. So I am going to see if I can swapp it for some other kind
of drive, that I know I am going to be using in a retro rig. Just going to find someone that has something untested.

I am however going to get a blank ZIP-100 media these comming days. Found someone that will ship one for free.
The thing is, that I have an internal ZIP-100 SCSI drive, taken from an old and dead Apple PowerPC.
The drive are being detected by every controller that have had it connected, and the internal termination works.
So I am hoping this drive is working. I just love all sort of storage media and drives. Yeah....

The more obscure, the better
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Posted 2017-01-09 4:12 PM (#181 - in reply to #179)
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I have little experience with such drives, where I worked we inefficiently stored things on stacks of hard drives.

Meanwhile I carried out threats I made in my Mario 64 Let's Play... Not sure I've uploaded the part where I threatened this yet, don't think I do it until late in the game, but this will be published some time after the Let's Play is completed;

I warn you, it's bad, but it's bad on purpose. Less than an hour, first take, rubbish. I'm a keyboard player, not a vocalist.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-09 5:12 PM (#182 - in reply to #181)
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DXZeff - 2017-01-09 6:12 PM

I have little experience with such drives, where I worked we inefficiently stored things on stacks of hard drives.

Meanwhile I carried out threats I made in my Mario 64 Let's Play... Not sure I've uploaded the part where I threatened this yet, don't think I do it until late in the game, but this will be published some time after the Let's Play is completed;

I warn you, it's bad, but it's bad on purpose. Less than an hour, first take, rubbish. I'm a keyboard player, not a vocalist.


I don't care how bad it is..... It's a nice sing along beer tune. You made me laugh. :-)
I bet it will go nice, when doing some hefty drinking at the pub.
Kind of depressing and happy at the same time.



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Robman
Posted 2017-01-11 5:33 AM (#187 - in reply to #182)
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I sure wouldn't sell that old p1 thinkpad. How much would you really get for it?
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Posted 2017-01-12 11:18 PM (#189 - in reply to #187)
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Robman - 2017-01-11 7:33 AM

I sure wouldn't sell that old p1 thinkpad. How much would you really get for it?


Not going to sell eighter, not right away that is. I need to refurbish it first, in order to get it running 100% again.
You know... Replace that lid because of it's crack's and take care of the battery.
If I had to sell it as it is right now, I guess I will be getting something like 35 US Dollars for it.
And it is actually more fun to restore it, and then sell it. Not because it will be more worth.
It is because it will be fun to restore, and the higher price can then be payed for with a slightlt higher sales price.

I might just take out the battery and let it sit for a couple of years. No hurry in fixing this one up.
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Posted 2017-01-20 3:01 PM (#191 - in reply to #189)
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Free stuff is allways nice.... Got these in the mail today.





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Posted 2017-01-20 6:36 PM (#192 - in reply to #191)
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Oh, a DX4-120 eh? Don't see those very often. I think I have one, but it has a heatsink I can't removed and my just be a 100 that was overclocked in the board it came with (The FIC I used to own). With a WB capable motherboard it should be quick, easily within P66 territory for DOS and probably somewhat usable up to Windows 95.

Zip disk... Zip... (Roars angrily) I lost to that twice, my money was on Magneto-optical formats first and later LS-120, I've never forgotten and still refuse to own Zip drives on principal. :D

Sorry I've been quiet here as of late, I've had a lot going on. I'll be backing the server up in the next few days and then I'll look at pushing the forum in a few places to see if I can wake it up a little.


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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-20 7:50 PM (#193 - in reply to #192)
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Yeah...
I got that zip disk, in order to test my old Zip-100 SCSI drive. I am really not going to store anything valuable on it, as it will be part of my collection, in a kind of historic light or something. Hopefully it will still functioning. The Dx4 chip.... Hmmmm.... I have been on eBay searching for 120 editions, just to see how many there are for sale in the wild. And I have not found any other. Don't care for the value, as eBay is scheisse when talking about value. Too inflated, and I am not going to sell it anyway. Well.... Perhaps the 5x86 chip, as I had one in the first place. Keep for historic purpouse or sell... Hmmmm... Shalespearian dilemma. To sell or not. :-D

Going back to that Dx4. I think they are rare and hard to get these days. And running it at 150, should give 50 in fsb. I just don't know if I want to.

Looking forward to see, if this forum can be used more. I kind of feel, that I am one of the most active one here.
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Posted 2017-01-25 2:00 AM (#194 - in reply to #193)
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Briefly tested the replacement for the DX7, the CZ-1;


Not played well due to its current, awkward position on the keyboard stand, plus it does take me a while to get used to new keyboards, all of them play a little different, different key weight and such. I haven't tried programming yet either, but I don't imagine it to have any problems as it speaks the same language as the other CZ keyboards, it just has a couple of extra parameters and should even be patch compatible otherwise.

Is it just me, or does the output sound cleaner than it does on the others? Either way, I like it so far. Thinking of moving the keyboard stand elsewhere and setting my dual P3 up as my music machine, it should be capable of running Cakewalk and my legacy software that only runs under 3.1/9x, such as some of the SysEx editors for the MU90R, but at the same time, it should run things like VitrualCZ if I need them - I usually use outdated software, but whilst VirtualCZ isn't entirely accurate, creating and testing patches with it is much faster than said outdated tools. Other possibility is a fairly boring P4 Hewlett Packard desktop I was given last year. Probably use one of my many, generic VIA Envy24 sound cards as they seem to use those in studio-grade shit now anyway (Only not for the £5 these ones cost) and aside from issues with levels I could easily bypass, it seemed to do fine when used for "Driving at Night" a few years back, the only track made using one. I'd still have a SB Compatible card for DOS so the lack of hardware MIDI interface doesn't really bother me, my AWE64 Gold no longer has an Athlon to live in because of my current K7 being PCI, so it should do well in the P3 whilst not bugging the Envy - the Envy would probably be disabled under 9X anyway and certainly wouldn't be running in DOS.

Edit: Video might take a while to work if anyone got here early.



@Brostenen; If you decide to sell the Am5x86 let me know as neither of mine made it here when I moved, I suspect they're probably among the smashed pieces I found a few streets away.

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Robman
Posted 2017-01-25 4:38 PM (#195 - in reply to #193)
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Brostenen - 2017-01-20 3:50 AM
Going back to that Dx4. I think they are rare and hard to get these days. And running it at 150, should give 50 in fsb. I just don't know if I want to.

Looking forward to see, if this forum can be used more. I kind of feel, that I am one of the most active one here.


Pretty cool old chips you've got there I love having different generations of computer stuff, although when I do play with something quite old, I usually get sick of it pretty quickly because they're just so damn slow, hehe. For instance, I'd like to put my amd k6-2 450Mhz back together and make it a complete machine again but ya know... slowwww. I think maybe a p4 2.8ghz hyper threaded would be about as low as I'd go for a daily driver anymore.

I've still been just using my laptops for the past few years, I'd love to beef up my c2q q9550 machine with atleast 6gb of ram and a generous video card. The most powerful video card I own is an xfx gtx260 (216 stream processors, 448bit.) I know, I'm behind the times other than the i5 laptop I have, but the q9550 is still a very powerful and interesting chip, at least I think so.

As for forum users, it's not easy to simply make a forum and then have it be immediately booming with traffic. Just gotta not worry about it, what happens, happens.
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Posted 2017-01-25 11:45 PM (#196 - in reply to #195)
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Stopped by the local little computer shop today and bought these 2 items.
Needed some more dd2 800Mhz memory, these patriots should go in the q9550 machine nicely. It's a 4gb set at 4-4-4-12 timing, doesn't really match the 2gb set of Corsair XMS2 memory so we'll see how I manage things when I do install them. Anyway, what do you audiophiles think of the Audigy 2 ZS platinum? Got it for $5 and the ram for $30(cdn)



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-01-26 8:52 AM (#197 - in reply to #196)
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I used an Audigy 2 ZS in the Pentium D for years, in fact, it is the same card I recorded my keyboard test with above. It's a great card, many inputs, hardware mixing and effects, working SPDIF. Definitely missing it since the move to the Xeon.

Unfortunately, as you can tell by the ungodly noises, mine is long since past its best.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-26 8:43 PM (#198 - in reply to #194)
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@Brostenen; If you decide to sell the Am5x86 let me know as neither of mine made it here when I moved, I suspect they're probably among the smashed pieces I found a few streets away.


I will keep you in mind, if I decide to sell it. As of now, I really need to play around with it at first.
Will be reserving it for you, if the time to sell comes. :-)
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-26 8:51 PM (#199 - in reply to #71)
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@Robman

Yeah... I got a functioning machine with every major CPU generation. Shure a lot are missing, like IBM 6x86 and that stuff.
I just like to have a working collection, with AMD and Intel processor's. I gor in the neighbourhood of some 11/12 machines.

I need to take new photo's, yet this is more or less my collection. Yes. Some systems are missing, as I have build them
since I tool these photo's and some are taken apart and rebuild into other systems.... 80% are still as they were on the pictures.

My collection of working machines

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Robman
Posted 2017-01-27 5:35 PM (#200 - in reply to #199)
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damn..now I'm craving ddr2 ram that's faster than 800Mhz...wee bit harder to come by.

Pretty nice collection there Bros... keep it up
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-01-28 9:41 AM (#201 - in reply to #71)
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The Atari VCS is 40 in September. Mine still works;
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Robman
Posted 2017-01-28 6:57 PM (#202 - in reply to #201)
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awesome
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-28 10:18 PM (#203 - in reply to #200)
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Pretty nice collection there Bros... keep it up


Thanks... Need to get a hold of that elusive Socket3 VLB/ISA mobo now.
2 to 3 AT-Cases and 3 ATX PSU's with -5volt rail.
Then some IDE to SCSI converters, and my collection is done.

I really need to build that 486dx2-66 VLB system now. Not because I
am missing some computing powers of a specific kind. It is more like a
thing, were I do not have that type of pure-bred slot-type kind of machine.
Basically, for historically reasons.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-01-28 10:19 PM (#204 - in reply to #201)
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DXZeff - 2017-01-28 11:41 AM

The Atari VCS is 40 in September. Mine still works;


They are kind of just build like a tank. They have "propper" hardware.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-01 7:17 AM (#205 - in reply to #204)
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In the case of the Atari, I can't help think it might be more the fact that there is practically nothing in there. Also, nice albums, think I saw them once before but my memory is unreliable at best, I like the Athlon 1400 because I remember a very similar one being around at a few LAN parties I went to years ago, it materialised quite late in the Athlon's life because the guy who owned it used second hand parts for everything.

In other news, I got hold of this thing for less than the CPU alone can go for;
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Deskpro XL 560
Pentium 60MHz SX948
48MB RAM
2GB Seagate IDE Hard Drive
50-Pin SCSI Interface (Not currently used and I missed this on first inspection somehow, though I was extremely tired)
AMD PCNet Ethernet
Analog Devices SoundPort (I have no experience with this one but it has a YMF262 onboard)
Matrox VGA card, factory original, PCI
EISA Interface

Needs some work, but appears to be minor things. Overall it should come back to life quite willingly and I think I might go with Windows NT 3.51 for this one.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-01 10:44 PM (#206 - in reply to #205)
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That's a sweet EISA system you got there. Never seen EISA and PCI slots on a Pentium machine before.
Congrats with it. Will you make a video about it, or are the video creation history from now on?
NT 3.51 seems like a nice choice for it. Though I would personally go for 4.0 on a system like that.
I remember that in the school I attended in 1995, there was a HP or Compaq in a tower with a 486,
running NT 4.0 Workstation. I think it had 12mb Ram or something like that. It was black or grey or something.

For me, I have had the opertunity, to buy this this little device on eBay, from netherland, for 40 euro including shipping.
I think it should be a little better than the RPI-3, and the best thing is onboard Sata-II port and Wifi.
The only downside as such, is that there is no bluetooth build in. I can allways use a dongle instead.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-02 4:55 AM (#207 - in reply to #206)
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Don't know if I'll keep it for long as the novelty past EISA is probably limited, but I'll enjoy trying out EISA for the time being. Now I just need some floppies so I can install the BIOS (The Setup must be installed on the hard drive) and get it off the ground.

It will show up in a video at some point, though it will be some way down the line from now. One of the reasons I chose NT 3.51 was because of that, as it gives me an excuse to talk about it. There's every chance I'll upgrade it to NT 4.0 eventually despite 3.51 being technically era correct. As production for the planned video continues to hit obstacles I have moved focus onto something else I can produce quickly as a hold-over until I can get the proper video done.

Where I worked I saw a lot of Compaq machines as from the late 486 / early Pentium onwards their go-to was the Deskpro, the majority of them being 400MHz Pentium II machines (PD1005 I think) and a lot of older systems left over, likely 575e / 5100e. Incidentally, that's where the monitor in my photo came from. I liked them, they never broke down so being called to fix them was usually only a case of undoing a settings change or misplaced file by incompetent users, the systems themselves just sat there and did what they were supposed to do incredibly well. Ours were beige, but had gray drives in them, it was odd that gray color because it never seemed to catch on, DEC (and others) made a 486 where the entire case was that color and I know because I owned one briefly a long time ago, but the guy who gave me it wanted it back. I wasn't too upset as I had a Duron by then anyway and he was still getting use out of it.


I have almost no idea what these Pi boards can be used for, but I hope you have fun with it. I have yet to use bluetooth for anything, never really had any device that requires it as there has always been an Ethernet port and I've no idea how it works anyway, I owned a phone that used Infrared once though and I got the impression Bluetooth replaced that, so I can only guess that it behaves similarly, it just uses radio instead which is probably better. It's odd that you're playing with an SBC though because I was about to go and install an OS on one, it is significantly larger and less powerful than your one there though.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-02 11:47 AM (#208 - in reply to #207)
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That's some of the same thoughts that I had on EISA as well. They seem like a fun thing to mess around with, when setting stuff up and tinkering around with. Nothing more than that though. Cards are hard to find, nearly to the brink of unobtainable, and when they are found they are extremely expensive. Yeah.... So I have decided not to have EISA in my collection. Yet alone MCA wich seems like an even cooler experience to tinker with.

About that PI machine. Hmmm... Yeah... They are nice modern solutions to small chores, like building a computerised garage door opener, doing a code-lock on the front door or some other sort of home automation. A bit like an Arduino on steroids. Then they are perfect for building a file server, using Debian/Ubuntu-server with samba server installed on top. They can be used to make a small and cheap Linux desktop surf/mail machine, or even make some sort of cheap cluster for rendering (need multiple boards) or doing a cheap Mame/Console-emulation station for a flatscreen tv. I plan on making something out of my OrangePI, that has something to do with Linux at first. This could be a Minecraft gaming machine or use it for a file server. Most likely I will make a Linux workstation for my TV or do a media center setup.

All these type of thing, can be build using eighter a RaspberryPI or OrangePI machine, using specific distro(images) ready made. Just download the one you want, write it to an sd card with win image and boot the sucker with that sd-card. Easy as PI. :-)

Edit:
All this bluetooth thing, is just using radio signals. Has a range of aprox 10 meters and you can pair stuff in order for autoconnect when within range. I too never use bluetooth, as I am using a cable for transferring pictures from my phone to my laptop. When I need to use it, those 1 to 3 times a year, I start by selecting "recieve files" on the bluetooth icon on my taskbar. Then I turn on the bluetooth radio on my phone, and select the picture, choose "send using bluettoth" and select the computer. Pretty easy, though my phone can not send more than 1 to 2 files using bluetooth. Nice and handy technology, just not as great as a standard data-cable. Perfect for headset, when talking on the phone on the other hand.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-03 9:50 AM (#209 - in reply to #208)
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I've seen EISA cards going cheap before on the basis that almost nobody owns anything with EISA interfaces anyway, and even then most of the cards have no need to be EISA. There's no point in having, say, a 10Mbit/s Ethernet card on the interface and therefore no disadvantage to plugging in a regular ISA one (as the slots accept those).

For things like door openers I'd probably still go for old time electronics. Sucks really because if you look up scematics now they're nearly all for Pi/Arduino stuff even if all you want to do is flash some LEDs in sequence, horribly inefficient. I can see the appeal of, for example, loading one full of emulators and tying it to the back of a TV screen though.

As I suspected, Bluetooth seems to be a replacement for the functions of IR and adds a few new things into the mix.



Obscure, little known bit of information; Few know that Mullet Man briefly visited West Germany in the mid 1980s -

Unfortunately this seems to be another set-back for the video I was working on as the visuals are also detected by the copyright system. It is possible that as it is in a relatively small window there I might get away with it, so I'll try rendering that segment and uploading unlisted to the second channel to see if it triggers the system.
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Posted 2017-02-03 6:49 PM (#210 - in reply to #209)
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Hmmm.... Yeah... On the other hand, finding EISA cards that you can actually use, are now an option for you.
I have thought about what to use the OrangePI for, and I think that I will try and source a dead PS1 or Amiga.
I can get extender cables for allmost everything that need to be plugged into it, so it will be possible to mod
some sort of dead machine.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-06 3:58 PM (#211 - in reply to #210)
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Got me self a new toy. Well... "New" is a more correct term. Or old, and new to my collection if you like.
I got it for free from my brother. He had it in the closet the last 2 to 4 years, because he uses a MacBook.

An IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad R61. 14.1 inch, Core2Duo, 4gb Ram, 120gb HDD, Bluetooth, Wifi, FireWire and so on.
The screen/LCD-Panel is cracked, so there is a big black spot rendering some 15/20% unuseable and dead.
Tracked down a refurbished LCD panel from London, through eBay, and ordered it. Hope it will arrive next week.
The price was not that bad eighter. I had to pay aprox 205 Kroners wich is 28 US Dollars (roughly converted currency)
I have never changed panels on a laptop before, only the complete assembly.
So this will actually be fun to the max when I get that screen in the mail. Can't wait to learn a new skill.



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Posted 2017-02-06 11:31 PM (#212 - in reply to #211)
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Sweet deal, still could use that lappy everyday.

As for taking apart the laptop.. Google or Youtube how to take that model apart, take some hi resolution photos at various steps in the disassembling process to fall back on if you get a little bit lost and keep good track of which screws go in which holes. That's my advice anyway.

Changes are, just to change the screen you'll have to take it all apart, short of actually taking the motherboard out.
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Posted 2017-02-07 9:28 AM (#213 - in reply to #212)
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I have checked youtube, and it is only a matter of removing the bezel. Takning out some screws, de-attach 2 cables to remove the panel. So it is not that big a surgery. The motherboard will not have to be removed. This is more or less the same procedure on every laptops out there. So no removing of the motherboard it self. :-)
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Posted 2017-02-08 12:32 AM (#214 - in reply to #213)
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Installed Xubuntu 16.04 LTS on my Thinkpad R52 today. No... Not the R61 that I have ordered a new panel for.
This machine is a Pentium-M 1.8 with 2gb of Ram. 3 to 5 times faster on Xubuntu, than on a WinXP installation.
Even the heat from the CPU is less. Now I can not even feel the heat through the keyboard after 2 hours.

Why Xubuntu? Hmmm.... Well...
It is running on less ressources. It is running A LOT cooler than XP, and the OS are an LTS edition.
LTS stands for Long Term Support (if anyone did not know), and because it is version 16.04,
then it will recieve support and updates for a minimum of April 2016 and 3 years ahead. (Hence 16.04)
This is awesomme... I can go on forum.dxzeff.com or other forums within 30 seconds from powering
the machine on, surf safely without worries and read my mails. I can even go online, and use my
homebanking as if this was a shiny new Win10 machine.

Gaming? Hmmm... Not my thing on Linux. That is what Dos-6.22, Win98 and Playstation's are for.
Except for one single game on Linux. That is Frozen Bubbles 2. Highly addictive I might add.


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Posted 2017-02-09 11:10 AM (#215 - in reply to #214)
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Xubuntu, isn't that XDM as opposed to Gnome? Good, I like XDM, though I always favored KDM when more power was available, Gnome sucks.
I recently played with a Unix-like OS myself, an interesting one at that, but I'll talk about it some other time.

I'm not going to type much in this post because my laptop keyboard spontaneously died last night, as I typed more and more keys stopped working and now it is broken. Typing on this external keyboard is awkward and I need it for other things. The mouse pad has since gone barmy too and the drives keep kicking strangely for unknown reasons. I think it's still under warranty so I'm just contemplating if it is worth my time to try fixing it or to simply leave it and chase up the guy who sold me it.

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Posted 2017-02-09 11:40 AM (#216 - in reply to #215)
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DXZeff - 2017-02-09 1:10 PM

Xubuntu, isn't that XDM as opposed to Gnome? Good, I like XDM, though I always favored KDM when more power was available, Gnome sucks.
I recently played with a Unix-like OS myself, an interesting one at that, but I'll talk about it some other time.

I'm not going to type much in this post because my laptop keyboard spontaneously died last night, as I typed more and more keys stopped working and now it is broken. Typing on this external keyboard is awkward and I need it for other things. The mouse pad has since gone barmy too and the drives keep kicking strangely for unknown reasons. I think it's still under warranty so I'm just contemplating if it is worth my time to try fixing it or to simply leave it and chase up the guy who sold me it.


True that. Personally I allways liked Gnome 2 over any of the KDM's out there. Taste differs I guess.
I do not know what it is, or was. Just that Gnome 2 spoke more to me. Sadly it is kind of "dead" despite reborn into Mate.

I really hope that you will be able to fix that keyboard issue. As a last resort, you can probably find a used one on eBay.
London based resellers of refurbished products seem to be a lot cheaper than other European companies.

As for me... I found this for cheap today, and bought it.


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Posted 2017-02-09 11:57 AM (#217 - in reply to #216)
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ET6000, nice! I've sort of wanted one for a while, but haven't found a real reason to have one yet. I'm generally happy with Matrox cards in the mean time I guess.

As for the keyboard, I was going to replace it anyway, horrible UK layout and I've always used US International, so it continually irritated me because I couldn't use RAlt for anything and had to keep jotting down Alt-Numpad combinations. Plus I kept typing things wrong due to the strange layout of some keys, I never did understand why they made the Return key larger and moved the backslash to the bottom left, it makes no sense to me.

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Posted 2017-02-09 12:05 PM (#218 - in reply to #71)
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When I saw that the price was around the same as 7 USD, I kind of instantly went for it. Checking prices on eBay, gave me a chock.

CHOCK'er

And it has not nearly the same amount of Ram on it, as the one I found. Yeah.... Anyway.

The problem I am facing, when going out for a replacement keyboard, is that it needs to be a Danish layout.
In it self, no problem, as I am used to that. The big problem is pricing. All on eBay are English/US.
So the price for a new keyboard for me, is way higher. Because it need to be bought locally.
And because of that, I will just buy the original replacement part anyway.
Meaning expensive and not cheap china crap. On the other hand. A keyboard need to be of high quality anyway.
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Posted 2017-02-09 12:41 PM (#219 - in reply to #218)
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Yeah, that seems about normal for eBay prices. Locally there's nowhere left, so I've mostly had to rely on eBay for the last few years, which is why I really try to avoid buying anything now and have to just accept it when something breaks that can't be repaired by myself.

I've used cheap keyboards for years, never had a problem with them for the most part, but that might be because I often bought cheap China crap in the first place. I think the IBM keyboards I have been using for the last few years were probably worth a few pence more than the ones I usually rely on though, and they'be been good, they're also the only USB keyboards I have ever seen that don't have Windows keys. Laptop keyboards I just use the cheapest board that fits as they're generally horrible anyway.
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Posted 2017-02-09 1:30 PM (#220 - in reply to #219)
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eBay are just too darn expensive all in all. And it's a shame that things are drying up now. Personally I am happy now, that I have a nice collection of the top dogs amoungst non-3d MS-Dos compatible PCI cards. You know... Those that delivers the best compatibility and gives some of the best performance and image quality in pure Dos on TFT screens. They are: CL-5446 (2mb), S3-325 (2mb), S3-Trio64v+ (2mb) and now the ET-6000. So I guess my collection of PCI cards for something like 120/133mhz-486 class to Pentium-166/233mhz. Just a shame that I did not manage to buy that 3dFX Banshee PCI that was up for sale, at a price of 8 british pounds and 61 pence. (shipping not included). Regarding GFX cards, I am actually just missing these, for my collection to be finished.

- Voodoo Banshee.
- Voodoo Rush.
- Voodoo3-1000, 2000 and 3000.
- Geforce256.
- Geforce3 (just one of them)
- CL-5428-VLB (with maxed out mem)
- Trident-9440 (with maxed out mem)

As for motherboards, I am only missing a socket3 board that has no PCI. Only ISA and 3 VLB slots. And perhaps a Socket-370 with ISA that can do 1.4 tualatin's. And as for soundcards, I am not really missing anything other than more Audician32's, a SB-Pro 2.0 and a couple of Aztech's (my first card was an Aztech) The final parts that I am missing, are a couple of 7200rpm SCSI HDD's and 2 AT cases. Yeah... Then I have managed to build up a collection that show's the evolution of the PC from early/mid-80's to around some 2001 or something like that. GUS cards and Voodoo4/5 cards some might ask? Naaaa.... Too darn expensive for my taste. Though it is no secret, that if I was being offered some of them for free, I would never say no. They are after all kind of iconic, in terms of hardware evolution. Would I use them for gaming as such? Probably not. I would take them for a testdrive once a while, though the software library that are specific to those cards, are just too small and something else will do the job better in most cases. Gus are the king of sound between 1992 and 1993 and the Voodoo5 cards were the king of GFX in only about 2 months after they were released. Yeah....

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Posted 2017-02-11 2:34 PM (#221 - in reply to #220)
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What's special about the Trident TGUI9440? I have six PCI TGUI9440-1's but haven't really tested them as yet, they're cheap Pine/XFX boards so they look a bit tacky and the memory upgrade sockets are empty. I may be willing to part with one if you want it. Isn't the Audician 32 just a generic 719? Shouldn't be too hard to find I wouldn't think, but I haven't looked for anything like that in a long time. Aztech seems to have gained a following in recent years, I still don't understand that, never had one that worked well. I understand you wanting one though because of the nostalgia factor.

Currently rendering some stuff, then I'm going to upload some stuff (might take a couple of days). I am also tampering with the forum to get rid of the automated accounts which sign up, luckily they seem unable to actually use the board and only register, I have a few tricks to deal with such things. Oddly, Chrome identifies the registration page as a "Payment" page, which I have no explanation for, because the only person being billed is me, though the server is efficient enough that it's just pennies. Outside of that, I might make a start on rebuilding my K5, looks like I'll be using an Abit PT5 board for that now. Spec should be about the same as before but I'm not sure I have the Virge any more, I am also doubtful that I will install the Orchid Righteous 3D again as I never used it and it served to do little more than break compatibility and cause blue screens. Hmm, I also don't think I have another ISA voice modem to hand because the one I used in there was in the K6.
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Posted 2017-02-12 12:10 AM (#223 - in reply to #221)
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Ahhh... Forgot to write, that it's the VLB version that I am after. Hehe. Yeah. The PCI edition is pretty cheap and easy to come by. I have seen a couple of the PCI editions online locally, and I thnk I need to get one of them as well. Not that they are are anything special in terms of PCI cards, just that they were sold in quite a number back in the day's. You know. As a cheap alternative. So they will fit nicely into my collection wich are focused on what people actually used back throughout the 80's and 90's.

Shure I have some parts that are standing out, such as Voodoo3-3500, and AWE64-Gold. Nobody in Denmark really had money for those product's back when they were new, because they were somewhat in between when people upgraded their stuff. Most people bought a computer around 95/96, going for mid range stuff, because of pricing and not going for the top line. Then people started upgrading those machines around 2000/2001, and yet again going for the mid range stuff.

K5 you say.... Hmmm.... Looking forward to see that machine, if you get it up and running. :-) It's actually funny that you have all them trouble with Voodoo's. I understand if they are not really you'r kind of hardware. Yet I have had zero issues with my Orchid V1. They just need the correct drivers, or they will give you a hard time. Personally I don't use my V1 eighter, other than for one single title. That is NFS2-SE, and running it on V2-SLI gives a better result. So yeah... I only have my Orchid V1 for collection purpouses. It is part of history, and therefore belongs in my collection. Also, why I only have one in my collection.
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Posted 2017-02-12 2:34 PM (#224 - in reply to #223)
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I still don't mind mailing you one of my PCI ones, I'm not likely to use all of them, my K5 build has already displaced one because I'll be using a Virge or Mach64 in that.

Most UK hardware was the cheapest stuff too, I think we had the money in the 90s but people were too busy buying council houses and starting shady businesses to go around buying computers. Also the disposal of them here has always been more inclined to destruction than recycling until recent years.

I'm still hesitant on the K5 and though I'm assembling it, I still keep trying to fix the old Pine motherboard as I really liked it. Only time will tell I guess.




That aside, first video uploaded, cleaning a rather dirty 486SX. Feel free to skip through it as I don't expect anyone to watch the whole thing. Personally I'd check out the dirt and then skip to 39 minutes to see the motherboard, which is most dirty, being cleaned and the cards which were already clean by that point.

Part of the reason I did this is because I've had people debate if this method works over the years, so now I am going to prove that it does. Also, proof that dust can be a good thing under certain conditions. I shall update in the future if it works when re-assembled, though I'd imagine it does. My second video is now uploading, but it may take another day or two on my connection, it is also likely to affect forum load times due to how things work around here (this whole city relies on a very old, massively under engineered backbone) so yeah, sorry about that. Hopefully it goes quick and there aren't too many service drop-outs in the process. Some day I'll make a video about the internet in Hull, I've had a script for it lying around for months now.

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Posted 2017-02-12 7:13 PM (#225 - in reply to #224)
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Yes... Finally. A GF3-ti200. According to the seller, it is with 128mb. I have no clue on to how to spot that.
Now I need not to search for more Geforce's, if this one is indeed in working state. Looks ok though.
I found it locally online, and offered the equivelant of 14.30 US Dollars including shipping. He accepted.





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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-12 7:31 PM (#226 - in reply to #71)
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DXZeff:

Been looking at the way you clean the hardware, and that is one of the right way's to do it. My aproach is just a tiny bit different, as I shower my parts (using the shower-head/water-sprayer) in clean cold water. You know... Fully opened for the water, max water preasure, and if that does not cut it, I use lukewarm water.
If that for some reason does not cut it, I make a bath of the same kind of soap that you are using, and mix some alcohol into it.
If that does not cut it, my last option is to use pure alcohol, cue tips and cutton pads. Sounds like a makeup kit... Uhhh wait... Computers are our girlfriends.

Anyway.... Good video. We had snow too, on monday/tuesday this week.

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Posted 2017-02-13 3:04 AM (#227 - in reply to #71)
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Whilst I think I've been around GeForce 3 cards, I can't say I've ever used one. They weren't common here, most people I knew owned ATI cards (Or rubbish SiS ones) when the GeForce 2 was around and completely ignored it, I also remember it gaining several negative reviews in magazines at the time, though I suspect drivers may have been to blame as I definitely remember one magazine looking back and saying they had been wrong well into the life of the GeForce 4. The GeForce 4 was very popular, though mostly the MX, which were just modified GeForce 2 cards. In short, if I did use a GeForce 3 at any point, I don't remember and it certainly wasn't in my machine.

With cleaning things I did use the shower in the old house, but this place doesn't have one. Having run out of alcohol I ended up using lighter fuel to remove the small patch of stubborn corrosion the next day, attacking it with a toothbrush. It should be dry soon and the case is clean now, though I still need to vacuum the PSU. I have figured out how the weird turbo display works, it's strange but neat. I don't remember if I noted how it doesn't connect to the turbo switch, but it does connect to the reset switch in the video, though either way, that's how it is wired. What happens is, you hold the reset button down and the display counts up until you let go. The single lead going to the motherboard is connected to the LED header's ground pin, the display board powers the LED and can then be programmed via the reset switch again to display whatever speed is required in that state. Obviously, "HI" and "LO" cannot be displayed, though it is a three digit display... Somewhat redundant in a 25MHz system and I'm not entirely sure 100MHz chips were out when it was built, I guess they were just thinking ahead and probably used the same display board in many different systems.
In amongst rambling I cut from the video I remarked somewhere that much like women, it seems these things often require accessories to be bought, time to be invested and destruction of friendships if you want them to hang around. But I dunno, I always preferred to compare my microwave to a woman - I reasoned that my microwave is possibly better anyway because it cooks things when I tell it to cook things. On a somewhat related note, I now have the fun of inventing names for these when I connect them to the network. Not decided yet, the K5 will probably just keep Katyusha when I finish work on it, the Unichip 486SX I don't know at all. As for the Deskpro 560 XL, I am leaning towards "Chiana" for that, if you don't immediately know what TV series the name comes from I will be disappointed.

My K5 is kicking, I have repaired the PT-7502 motherboard (Yay!) after tracing my problems to a voltage regulator that always ran hot. I don't know what was wrong with it, but I had an equivalent one on a dead board, now it runs cold. The board actually brings up POST almost instantly (It used to take a few seconds) so I'd be willing to be the stability issues I was having before I took it apart for repair all that time ago are probably history. Unfortunately my SCSI card isn't playing ball, so I either need a new one or to go with IDE, which I may do as it was always quick enough anyway. I also did go with a Mach64, even if it does mean I lose a bit of speed in DOS, it was an insanely fast machine in most games, so I think I can afford the hit, I can always go back to the Virge if it causes me problems but it always spent most of its time in Windows 95 anyway.



My final notes for tonight are, Video #2 is published, but I have to sleep so I will have to wait until tomorrow to fix some of the metadata stuff. It's unimportant metadata stuff though.
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Posted 2017-02-13 5:40 PM (#228 - in reply to #227)
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Sweet.... Good job on repairing that board. It allways feel so good, when these kind of things succeed.
I see we are cleaning stuff nearly the same way after all. Yeah.... This is by far the easiest way to do things like that.

As for me, I did something today. Got my hands dirty as well (oh my, it was dirty inside the lid)
I have reported this on another forum as well, so a simple copy/paste will do this time.

I know the computer is not that old, yet it is going to be my daily driver from now on.
I changed the LCD panel in this lovely Thinkpad R61. Yeah....
The picture with the fresh panel, has not yet had the bezel re-attached. It is now.
The procedure is not really that complicated.

- Take off the bezel. (5 screws)
- Deattach the flat-cabels behind the screen and one plug located behind the pcb below the screen.
- Remove 4 screws from the rods that are connected to the hinges.
- Remove a fresh free'ed lcd panel.
- Do everything clockwise.

The first picture is the damage on the old panel, the second is the screen being tested.

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Posted 2017-02-14 4:10 AM (#229 - in reply to #228)
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I always thought water was the mortal enemy of circuit boards, so I've done my best to keep the two separate.
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Posted 2017-02-14 12:11 PM (#231 - in reply to #229)
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Robman - 2017-02-14 6:10 AM

I always thought water was the mortal enemy of circuit boards, so I've done my best to keep the two separate.


If the hardware is not dry, then yes. And in some cases it will result in rust. Just a matter of drying the parts correctly. Saltwater or sugar water is mortal enemies. As well as acid or bases.

Cola and rum are poison to keyboards. Saw that once om a laptop that had been at a party and someone spilled a drink on it.

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Posted 2017-02-14 3:51 PM (#232 - in reply to #231)
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Hell yeah it feels good to have that board back, people laugh at PC Chips a lot, but the M520 obliterates every other 430VX motherboard I have ever used. I'm just hoping the cache module holds up, the PCI slot seems to be working again though and the strange noises I was getting out of sound cards are gone - they're also louder, as I popped the SB16 back in when testing for issues, as that was what it had when the problems started. Perhaps the VR was pulling the power down too far but only so far into the board that it couldn't be observed easily at the PSU? Who knows, but it seems it was doing something to screw up the rest of the board. Here's hoping it remains stable. I also fixed my Chaintech 5VGM M101 which, at this stage, is my only dual-voltage capable board, but it is missing an RTC (Chip with external battery, not that Dallas muck) right now, I may use that for something later depending on how my Intel branded (Only runs Pentium MMX chips) 430TX turns out if I ever get time to play with that again.

Lovely job on that screen, if I didn't know you'd done it I'd say it looked like a factory job. The dimwit who did mine bent something and it presses on the edge of the screen when the laptop is moved.

@Robman; You have to be somewhat careful as obviously not everything can be cleaned this way and there must be no power anywhere - no batteries, no accumulated charge in capacitors - or else it might just break.
I find milk to be the absolute worst for electronics, instant death. I have once spilt milk on a sound card, an ALS120 that wasn't even plugged in. I rinsed it off and let it dry completely, but it was dead. A friend did the same to his modem and it completely paper-weighted. I don't know what is in it, but electronics sure don't like it.

By contrast I once had a keyboard, one I liked very much. I spilt cola in it, I spilt beer in it, I vomited in it and it kept going. It grew cress seed and fungus at one time and still didn't care. Then one day, I accidentally dropped just one tiny droplet of water when cleaning my desk... It stopped working completely. Funny how things like that happen sometimes.
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Posted 2017-02-15 4:59 PM (#234 - in reply to #232)
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Thanks. I broken two taps on the bezel/frame, when I took it off to get to that LCD panel. Nothing a bit of clear tape can't fix though.

I forgot to mention, that the keyboard wich died from cola and rum, was one of those in cheap laptops in 2005. It became all green on the backside.

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Posted 2017-02-15 11:43 PM (#235 - in reply to #234)
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An update on the 486SX, complete with what would be a tense moment if I weren't so outwardly apathetic;
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Posted 2017-02-17 12:28 AM (#236 - in reply to #235)
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up and flawlessly running now?
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Posted 2017-02-17 3:49 AM (#237 - in reply to #236)
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It certainly appears so.

Otherwise, my K5 is now running Windows 95C and I ordered a replacement keyboard for my laptop, but there was an error on the sellers part so they can't get more. I am definitely looking at just returning the laptop under warranty. If it comes to that, I will not be returning it with the hard drive as I don't have the patience to back up my stuff and wipe the disk.
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Posted 2017-02-17 9:18 PM (#238 - in reply to #237)
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Looks good, that 486 you cleaned. Yeah... Great job on it. I recieved both cards today, and took some better pictures of them. It looks like the ET6000 need a new capacitor down at the PCI connector. Hmmm.... Need to shop for that. The GF3 looks good enough. A bit dusty, yet the cooler looks decent for it's age. A couple of the caps, look like they are starting to get tired/old. Not really shure about it, to be honest.

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Posted 2017-02-21 5:48 PM (#240 - in reply to #71)
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A rather interesting 486 motherboard I recently picked up quaintly named Predator. Just about everything except the kitchen sink is contained in this AT form factor ISA motherboard, even PS/2 Mouse port on board. No VGA as far as I can tell though. Symphony chipset and no less than 16 30 pin memory slots with a 486 DX-50 CPU Installed. Yes that is indeed a 386 socket as this board supports both processor types and contains one of those combo 387/486 sockets under the DX50 chip.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-21 7:06 PM (#241 - in reply to #71)
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Neat. I have one which is a similar, an AMI Baby Voyager.



It only takes 486 chips and Weitek Co-Processors though. It is very heavy due to being four-layer and the insanely dense component population. The board itself has this neat kind of 3D effect;



Uses an AMI chipset which is on par with the UM8498 assuming both systems were only using ISA (The 8498 has VLB and can outrun the ISA-only AMI, but with identical ISA-only card configurations the scores are identical) though has a different footprint.



This board is used for a web server that is not currently online. I hope to find time to work on that project again some day.



To those who are still here, sorry I've been quiet around here, busy trying to re-arrange my living room. On the up-side, my K5 is definitely kicking again. Excuse the temporary wiring.


Hoping to move onto the Athlon and PPro after this one.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-22 10:42 PM (#243 - in reply to #71)
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The PT-7502 is still displaying stability issues. They are small, seemingly random, and I think I've tracked down the problem. The Voltage Regulators share a heatsink and I think the overheating "VR1" might have damaged "VR2", at least, this is what my ghetto testing indicates - it seems that once the system has been loaded hard for a while there is a small dip in the voltage and this is when things start going wrong (BSOD, program crash, random reset) and I can speed this process up by warming the heatsink up, so I'm not ready to write off this board as busted just yet. I am extremely confident that this is the problem and that the board will work properly again when the second regulator is replaced. When it does work now it is still very responsive and everything seems to be doing what it should be doing.

On the other hand, I need this thing now and do not have a suitable regulator to hand (Annoyingly, I have the model from either side of this one) so I will be shelving the board again for the time being. As a stand-in I have this Chaintech 5VGM1 which isn't as quick and has some compatibility problems (it also hates K5 chips) hence it wasn't my first choice, though it is still a fairly good board.

It was stable last I checked though and it is another VX board. To the OS they are similar enough that switching over is pretty seamless and it shouldn't require a re-install of Windows 95. It should work well enough to get me through for the time being and I'll just add a regulator to my shopping list - I need a laptop keyboard and a PCI SCSI card anyway, so I'll just grab one when I order those, just waiting for a refund to clear for my first keyboard order, which was out of stock. Here's hoping.

I'm aware of the missing RTC. The one from the PT-7502 will work as it's the same chip. I have a spare left over from a project that I'll try to find later and I found a spare Dallas chip that would work if I really need it.
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Posted 2017-02-23 6:06 PM (#244 - in reply to #71)
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If you go through the work of VR replacement, you might want to also hit it with some new electrolytics. Ohh, btw.. the super rare 486 processor I picked up on ebay is nearly here, maybe tomorrow if the weather ( hell of a lot of snow ) doesn't hold back the drivers. All the way from Russia too.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-23 9:13 PM (#245 - in reply to #244)
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Well... This is not old. I installed this toy a couple of days ago, on my wifi. It is actually quite awesomme.

EDIT:
Bought a Sandisk 16gb SD-Card and a 5volt 3amp power brick for my OrangePI Plus 2.
Need to buy a SATA cable for the OPI too and a case, unless I can make my own case.
Going to be sweet, building a RetroOrangePI, modded to play 80's music in the menu.


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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-26 8:16 PM (#247 - in reply to #245)
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Yesterday, I tested the GF3-ti200 128 megabyte, that I bought some time ago. Working flawless.
The fan was a bit noisy. So I pealed back the sticker, and let a few drops of oil into the hole.
This made the crackling noises go away. Still really loud, though sounds like a new fan.
In time, I have to replace it. Yet for now, it is working.

Then I soldered in a new cap on the ET6000 card, and I found that two pins on the 3 yellow chips
were lifted off the soldering pads. Soldered them on again. And the card makes picture and works.
Not bad for the price I gave for it. So it is ok that the card is not 100% cosmetic in order.
Yeah.... Can't expect everything for some 15 US Dollars can you?

Then I tested my ZIP-100 SCSI drive, that I found in a dumpster around 2011/12 or something.
Just recently I got a disk, and it is actually the first time that I have seen ZIP drives in action.
Shure I have seen them on YouTube. Though not up close and in person.
Wich is really strange, as I saw the first drive ever, back in 1995.

Today, I gave the GF3 a first run. Ran 3D-Mark99 a few times, both benchmark and demo mode.
Then I loaded up UT99, and everything is running smooth and 100% nice.
Another good 15 dollars purchase I might add....
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-27 3:42 AM (#248 - in reply to #247)
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I've been busy, I have ~25 songs to learn and record and I'm not setting myself much time to do it. Three songs in, K5 holding up, sanity slowly disappearing... Why, oh why, did I think it would be fun to attempt music which is mostly orchestral with 80s synths? Possibly not one of my better ideas. Nah, I like the challenge, though it seems the end results vary considerably.

@Brostenen; All I can think of when I see that dinosaur is Barney :P
Good to know your cards are working, I actually like fans that have a "healthy" noise because that way, I know they're working. If the noise is constant I generally don't notice it after a few minutes and only pick up on it again if it changes for some reason, but I like to go a little overboard with cooling anyway.

@WaybackTech; Looking forward to finding out what it is, though I can probably make a few guesses.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-27 8:24 AM (#249 - in reply to #248)
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#DXZeff
25 songs? Damn that is one big mouthfull. Hope you will be getting through this without problems. When you are finished, will you be sharing some of them then?

As for the Dino, then it is a toy that you tell how old you are and what you'r name is. You can name it too. The idea is that children can ask it a question, in order to learn stuff. Tell it to start a wordplay, play a song, tell a tale. And so on. It is driven by the internet and IBM Watson. Pretty cool idea.

Cognitoys Dino

As for the GF card.... Well.... I am going to look for a better suited heatsink and fan. Personally I really do not like when it is loud as a vacume cleaner. A little noise is ok. Just not too much.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-28 2:01 AM (#250 - in reply to #249)
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Speaking of the devil....
And THIS came up when searching for "VL Controller".
Bought it straight away. Now I need not to look further for a VLB 486 board.
(Still missing them two AT cases)
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-02-28 3:00 AM (#251 - in reply to #250)
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The songs are for a Let's Play I recorded some time ago, I committed to learn a song for each part which seemed like a good idea. Of course, I didn't think of how the game is quite long and so there are 25 parts.

Ah, I've heard of things like that, seems like a neat idea (the Dino) I guess. My limits for fan noise are much higher than most people's, I don't know whether it was the time spent sharing my work space with a 19" cabinet or running a Presler for a very long time, but it simply doesn't bother me. Yes, a VLB board and an ABit one at that, I've become rather fond of their boards from that time. Surprisingly reasonable price in comparison to what you usually see nowadays too. I doubt you'll be as lucky with AT cases, the last time I searched for them people were asking silly money. Maybe worth trying AmiBay assuming people actually bother to approve your posts over there.

I forgot to mention last time I was here, that I got bored of the blank squares on the front of my cases and ordered a bunch of those resin domed OEM labels, with my logo. They're not here yet, but I'm looking forward to sticking them on. This is what the site displays as their estimated appearance though;


Edit: Oh, also, the MIDI setup;

The Korg on top of the monitor is not connected and I am not using it, it is there as a kind of tease to myself of "Yeah, I could emulate these noises at the push of a button, but no." just to motivate myself. The small monitor is connected to the K5 which is recording, the larger monitor is connected to a P4 I was given some time ago which runs Cakewalk and allows me to program the keyboard faster with VirtualCZ, which it doesn't run entirely well, but is good enough. The K5 records because it has the best sound card out of what I own now, the P66's PAS16 is decent but has a rather strong DC bias which isn't always easy to remove and everything else I have is extremely noisy. The Terratec in the K5 is somewhere in the middle (Minimal DC, though higher noise floor than I'd like and it is audible at time) and I've got just enough power to do some mixing and such in a decent time frame instead of stuttering and waiting with the P66. I could have used the Xeon in theory, but there is about a second of delay between sound going in and then coming out, which is impossible to work with and I don't really have any way to split the audio properly without introducing more noise into the signal.

I might upload one of the tracks on its own at some point prior to the project being completed.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-02-28 10:10 AM (#255 - in reply to #251)
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Nice setup. I see that you even have a plate of the best chokolate from England. :-P Personally I prefer Danish, yet English is so damn near in quality.
Like 98/99% close to my personal taste preferance. The best are those thick plates with dark chokolate. Yummy. Anyway...

As I said. Nice setup. Though I am not a musician, I too have created a small album back in 01/02. It sounds shitty, and I used something called
Dance Ejay3 or something like that back then. It was only an experiment, to see if a non musician, could create an album. Hence showing that
techno and dance at that time, was really poor music.
I grew up on The Door's, Beatles, Roling Stones, Uriah Heep, Jimmy Hendrix, Queen and Abba. Yeah....

I hope you will be getting them case badges soon.

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Posted 2017-03-01 1:29 PM (#260 - in reply to #71)
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I'm not a musician either, in fact, I take pride in that I honestly have almost no idea what I'm actually doing.

I can vouch for the simplicity of techno and such though, this is what I fall back on if I just want a song fast to demonstrate that something works. Some of it is enjoyable though, for me at least. I like Eurodance which I know is technically rubbish, but it's fun. I also like soppy 80s ballads which, again, I know are trash, but I enjoy them.

I grew up around a lot of music. My Dad listened primarily to Country, so I had a constant barrage of Boxcar Willie and Johnny Cash from him, though he did listen to the pop music of the time, complained about it a lot mind, but still listened anyway and also had a vast collection of 60s music. My Mother listened to punk rock, so I heard records from the Sex Pistols, Anti-Nowhere League and such quite often before I was even born. My Granddad always listened to Classical music. This provided amusement as my Grandma would be listening to Meatloaf elsewhere in the house and he didn't like it, so he'd turn his hearing aid down and start blasting things like Gustav Holst or Motzart full pelt, then claim he didn't mean to when my Grandma would yell at him "What's that Rita? Oh, my hearing aid batteries must have run out again. You know, I thought it was a bit quiet." trying not to smirk - yeah, Granddad is a troll sometimes, as well as a computer technician long ago (though he prefers electrics to electronics) so I guess I've inherited a few traits from him. People will tell you that Metal will drown anything (and hell, do I love me some metal) but I assure you, Classical will drown out other music even more. Waltz is also good. This caused havoc in the kid's home because when I tried to blast Megadeth they told me it was "violent" and I would get told off. But I was trying to study and the girl in the next room could play Westlife (eww) as loud as she wanted and the lad in the other room could play his J-Lo (Even worse) which was distracting, so I started blasting Classical, Baroque and Waltz which also annoyed them. I got out of it by stating that it was inoffensive and was known to expand the mind, which was good as I was doing college work... Totally got away with it and successfully blocked out the pop crap.

I might start posting in the music thread again I think.

Case badges are not far away, I received an e-mail a few hours ago saying they are ready and have now been posted.

Best chocolate I ever ate was this dark chocolate that was sold in some bargain store, it was made in Germany of all places. The store is long gone and I don't think they make the chocolate any more.

Lastly, song progress;




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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-03 3:20 PM (#263 - in reply to #260)
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Been testing my Hercules ET-6000 card, and looked it up on the vga compatibility chart. The card is working... Sort of.
It has mismatched mem chips on it. 2x908 and 2x909 chips. And I guess this is why it is only running with 2mb total.
It has these spaghetti lines on a samsung TFT screen, and looking at the poor compatibility on the vga chart.

I guess this card is more of a novelty and collectors item. And I deem this card totally inferiour to CL-5446 and Trio64v+/Virge-325.
None of those 3 cards make spaghetti lines and they are all 100% compatible. Mmmmm... I gues this card is for these persons...

- Collectors.
- People wanting the "cool" factor.
- People doing nothing than benchmarking.
- Hipsters that think Tseng is the best.
- People like me, collecting for historical reasons.

Yet if you want to build a good campaible gaming rig, then keep a looooong distance to this card.
Looking at what it is, combining it with eBay prices, makes it a poor choice.





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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-03 3:40 PM (#264 - in reply to #263)
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In that case, thank you for being the Canary in the coal mine, I shall stick to S3 / Matrox / Cirrus cards for such machines, they have never let me down anyway. You know me, I tend to gravitate towards having things which are practical and work well, though I do make some exceptions towards the other extreme, whereby things are woefully impractical and unyielding (My POD being an example) just for fun.

Also, my ego has been sufficiently fed now;


Plus I can use these when I sell some machines in the coming months, that way people know they're buying a quality product :P
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-03 7:30 PM (#265 - in reply to #264)
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Cool. You got them at last. Nice. There is actually something about stickers like those.
That is something that we do not see anymore, anywere at all.

Yeah... The ET6000. Really expensive. I guess this is the reason as to why it is not recommended harder.
Looking at eBay, they go for a "low" price when being viewtop branded, and ultra high when they are
hercules branded as mine. So... Well... Perhaps I will sell it in the future, if I find something else I want.
Not one of them cards that I absolutely will keep forever, as I suspect that it will not be used much.

Until further, my plan is to do some benchmarkings when I have the time, then keep it a couple of years
and then finally sell it.
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Posted 2017-03-05 7:57 AM (#266 - in reply to #265)
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LOL! I was rummaging around eBay and stumbled into this;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Elfidelity-PC-HiFi-Filter-Card-PCI-PCI-Ex...

It smells strongly of Audiophool to me. Rest assured, I won't be buying one.
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Posted 2017-03-05 8:14 PM (#267 - in reply to #266)
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That card looks impressive. No chance it can possibly do what is claimed. Now if it went between the PSU and the MB, maybe there might be a chance.
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Posted 2017-03-05 8:39 PM (#268 - in reply to #267)
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Perhaps, but I can't help thinking that it would probably be cheaper and much more effective to simply buy a good power supply in the first place, and if you did use a particularly bad PSU then noise will be the least of your problems in the long run. Seasonic / Corsair supplies at around 800 Watts cost about the same last time I looked. I get what you mean though, it does at least look appealing.

The thought also occurs to me as I write this that PCB fabrication is much cheaper now than it was a few years ago and it would probably also be cheaper to have one made if someone were so inclined. Still, not for me though, my noise problems come from a lack of earthed outlets and won't be solved by installing random capacitor banks on my computers bus.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-06 12:19 PM (#269 - in reply to #268)
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I bought an transperant acrulic case for my Orange Pi Plus 2, and 10pcs of 300x400mm anti static bags.
Looking forward to assemble that Pi and get it on with retro-console gaming.
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Posted 2017-03-06 3:24 PM (#270 - in reply to #269)
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I think I might have to play with SBCs a little more and see what I can come up with, as well as how much your Pi can kick its ass in actual power.

Otherwise, the internet is still great around here;


Ah, the 21st century, so much to do online these days... Oh...
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Posted 2017-03-06 4:56 PM (#271 - in reply to #270)
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Paul, I know you like the mid 90's stuff but, dude it is really time to upgrade to one of those new 56K V.92 modems. I hear they are real screamers


to whoever runs your ISP. There is no excuse for that kind of raw speed.
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Posted 2017-03-06 5:19 PM (#272 - in reply to #71)
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Some more recent acquisitions. These are just the photos from ebay, but I have received and tested everything here except for the Radeon 7500. I have been trying to get over a cold this past week, plus the work I am doing to benchmark processors at the moment, I haven't had the time to photograph this stuff myself.



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Posted 2017-03-06 10:33 PM (#273 - in reply to #272)
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#DXZeff...
You should play more with those PI's. I know they are not old computers, yet they appeal to the old computing spirit that we had back in the 80's, when computing on a complete system that were not modular. You know... Amiga's, Atari's, C64's and all that kind of shit. They were cool, and if you throw in the only real oldschool type of system that we have left (Unix type systems. Linux/Unix), then you have one hell of a package. They are far from fast, yet they are more fun than a modern console or computer. Yeah... Win10 and OsX are just too clean, pure and soul less. Only two major competing GPU producers left, and the same with CPU's. It's a sorry state, the world is in now a days. No inovation left, things are only getting faster. No new technology in the same way as when soundcards came into play. And the same regarding 3D GFX. It's sad. Super sad. :-(

#Waybacktech...
Nice haul... The greatest (at least to me) are the Acer machine. I simply love that design language in wich the case are build up on. Extremely nice LED's, annonymus lines, and all in all a great package. I love it. Is it just me, or do you see some design ellements in that Acer, wich are in the Amiga3000? I certainly do see something that makes them look like they are from the same design house. And you got yet another gold top! Allways nice to see them. :-P

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Posted 2017-03-06 11:05 PM (#274 - in reply to #273)
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@Brostenen Ya i'd say there is a bit of an Amiga look to the machine, even if just by accident. Who knows though, maybe the guy that came up with the front case style was an Amiga lover. It is kind of funny though how things have come full circle. Gateway purchased Amiga in the mid 90's, and now Acer owns Gateway.

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Posted 2017-03-06 11:31 PM (#275 - in reply to #274)
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#waybacktech
I remember the school getting a complete linup of 10 or 20 Acer 486sx25's in desktop model, back in around 1991 or something. Been searching for the model number, yet I can not remember that correctly. I think it was the 450d model, though if it had 2 or 3 five and a quarter inch bay's I really do not remember. All I remember was, that every publich school got them back in 1990/91 or something. I know the year, as I was in 8'th grade at that time, from summer of 1990 to summer of 1991. Anyway... Acer made awesomme machines back then. Personally, I had to use a Unisys PW/2 Series 300 machine from 1988 (possibly 1987) and all the way up to 1993, when I bought my first computer for my own money. It was my parents that bought it, and I recemtly was given ownership of that machine. I used all of 2016 to restore it into working state again. Not because it was defect or had leaked battery or anything like that. It worked basically perfect, after sitting some 15+ years in a dry basement. I just had to find newer parts for it, in order to give it a CD-Drive, soundcard and stuff. It went well, and now I am the owner of an original Unisys 286 machine. Complete with all the original manuals, original EGA monitor, 1988 optical mouse, original keyboard and everything else. Yeah... It's a nice 286-8/10mhz machine.

It is this machine here....



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-07 11:15 AM (#276 - in reply to #71)
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@Waybacktech; As it stands, they've had since September to put the problem right, but they have not. By now I think I have a substantial pile of evidence that they are unable to provide me the advertised speeds and I am aware of at least two FiWi providers in my area. I am going to put together what I have and attempt to cancel the contract once and for all, though with 31 months left I don't think they're going to let me walk away that easy.
Yeah, people accuse me of living in the past all the time, I don't think I do, but it's somewhat challenging in terms of the internet when things start resembling a mid-90s ISDN connection.

Looks like some decent stuff there. I used to have a Hercules branded Radeon 7500, 128MB, one of the best video cards I ever had and I'm still a little sad that it doesn't work anymore. I doubt I'll get another one, as I like my Ti 4600 now, but the 7500 was my first somewhat high performance video card and I'll always have fond memories of it.


@Brostenen; Still not sure I want to go over to Pi's as I still can't really think of what I would do with one. If it had MIDI and could run Cakewalk 9 I might have thought about it as I want something smaller for sequencing, but they don't and wouldn't integrate well with the rest of my setup anyway. To be honest, I don't really like Unix/Unix-Like systems anyway. Admittedly this is from primarily bad experiences whereby nearly every Unix machine I have been near has been slow and unreliable, good Unix systems have been few and far between, namely Xenix and Minix, though I'm starting to like QNX from my limited time playing with it.

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At the moment I'm weighing up some parts and will post back here if I do obtain them.
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Posted 2017-03-08 9:20 PM (#278 - in reply to #276)
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Well... I fell in love with Unix, when I tried it first time in early 1995. I was teached in Unix on consoles that were connected to a Vax server. It was so awesomme to send my first email from a simple text mode command prompt, as there were no GUI on those consoles. Then I found out about Free-BSD in eraly 1996 and I installed my first Linux distro in late 1995. So I have a love-affair with *nix's. For MIDI, you might be able to build a MT32 box, using Munt. And there are different projects on instructables, including a complete external MIDI interface, based on "Fluidsynth". Anyway... I just like Linux and are actually using it on my daily driver at this moment. I will probably go back to Windows7 in the near future. Who knows.

What have I been up to lately? Well....
I recieved that 486 VLB bundle that I bought. And I was not happy about the way it was packed/shipped.
Nothing physically broke, though I was nervouse that it had suffered death by antistatic electricity.
I think I will let pictures speak for them self......

I tested it all out yesterday and everything worked. I had it running with the DX-33 that came with it and a DX2-66.
And I am really surprised how fast this baby is booting. Really a gem, and it feels rock solid.
There were no battery on it, and since it has headers for an external battery, I quickly crafted a getto-mod.
Two 2032, two wires and a lot of tape. I was just too lazy heating up a solder iron. It worked, and I am quite happy.
Then I ordered a new battery holder, with room for two 2032 batteries.

Now for the gruesomme and gory details in pictures.....





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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-08 10:28 PM (#280 - in reply to #278)
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That is a nice bundle. I find the SIS 471 chipset is really very good. Definitely sits among the top of my benchmarking tests, trading places with the UMC8886 chipset.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-08 11:03 PM (#281 - in reply to #280)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-09 12:28 AM

That is a nice bundle. I find the SIS 471 chipset is really very good. Definitely sits among the top of my benchmarking tests, trading places with the UMC8886 chipset.


Wait a minute....
How good is this board rated? Are the 57 US Dollars I paid (including shipping) a good deal then?
I am only asking, because I have no broad knowledge of 486 era chipsets. (Virtually none regarding the chipsets)
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-08 11:14 PM (#282 - in reply to #281)
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If that is what you payed for the entire bundle, i'd say you did pretty well. The board you have here is similar in layout to my Chicony CH-471 board, which the prices on ebay for that board are through the roof now. It is a very good performing board, as is another more generic SIS 471 based board I have, both are close in performance actually, so I would imagine yours to be pretty decent as well. Looks like though your board only as 128k of cache installed so you might want to bump it to 256K. Oh um.. you shouldn't run the video card in the third VLB slot that is a slave slot so there will be a bit of a performance hit.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-08 11:28 PM (#283 - in reply to #281)
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Also had good experiences with the SiS chipsets and it's nice to see you making progress with the system. One thing I will say on cache, test with 128K before upgrading, my old UMC UM8498 performed better with 128K + 8MB of RAM than it did otherwise so there may be others like this out there... Probably not as my board was a little wacky from years of battery rot, but still, worth testing just in case.

I have been up to no good again, here's a couple of the items I recently got hold of;



WaybackTech likely knows one of the other items which I recently obtained after some careful consideration, against my initial judgement...


Given the average cost of components in the UK, this didn't actually work out too badly and I think I can make it back from a recent investment I made elsewhere. Only thing is, I have yet to locate a case for this project. I could probably make one I guess, metal project cases aren't too difficult or costly to get hold of and as all the I/O is out on headers I could probably just bolt some stand-offs into the bottom of something like this;

And it would be fine. I know a guy who works with metal for a living and am reasonably confident he would be willing to help if I had to make any serious alterations to such a casing.


As a last note, Brostenen, you lucky sod with your battery headers, I have six Odin clock chips to modify and only have a hand file to do it with. It's hard going and the resin dust is probably taking years off of my life. And they're soldered to the motherboards so I have to work on them in-board.

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Posted 2017-03-08 11:36 PM (#284 - in reply to #282)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-09 1:14 AM

If that is what you payed for the entire bundle, i'd say you did pretty well. The board you have here is similar in layout to my Chicony CH-471 board, which the prices on ebay for that board are through the roof now. It is a very good performing board, as is another more generic SIS 471 based board I have, both are close in performance actually, so I would imagine yours to be pretty decent as well. Looks like though your board only as 128k of cache installed so you might want to bump it to 256K. Oh um.. you shouldn't run the video card in the third VLB slot that is a slave slot so there will be a bit of a performance hit.


I shure did... The sales add.
Thanks for clearing it up. Hmmm.... Is there a list of 486 chipsets somewere, their rating and pro's vs con's?
Regarding the cache, then I have four 64x8-15ns that I got cheap some time ago.
I guess I need to buy another set, in order to upgrade my FIC 486 VIP IO to 512kb and take those 256kb-15ns
and install on this Abit board.

I thought that the third was master. Hmmm... TotalHardware99 have the top-slot named SL3 and the bottom SL1.
Is the top-slot allways master on every single VLB board out there?
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Posted 2017-03-08 11:49 PM (#285 - in reply to #284)
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Damn, I forgot - Not sure about building an MT-32 box as I had a real MT-32 and did not get along with it. Call me crazy, but I actually prefer the sound of the YM3812. I think this new x86-based SBC will probably fare better as I won't have to move from my applications (many of which have no equivalent on other platforms and are limited to 16-Bit Windows / DOS) and can easily transfer my settings / CAL scripts without having to worry. At most, I could see myself perhaps strapping a Pi to the ass end of my TV in the future to grab videos from the internet and my network as I am confident I could get one to output RGB or Yipper quite easily to my Toshiba TV, I'm guessing 5.1 SP/DIF is also available for these Pi boards? This would cut out having to wire my laptop up all the time and I think I could even hijack power for the board from the TV as the internal PSU is rather over-engineered. Who knows, something for the future... Haha, Analog Smart TV of sorts.

I also forgot this, here are a couple of those tracks I was working on as well as giving away one of the games which will show up after Mario 64 on my second channel;
https://soundcloud.com/high_treason/treasure-trove-cove
https://soundcloud.com/high_treason/click-clock-wood-summer
What a ridiculous challenge, poor 80s synths were likely never really intended for this kind of thing and whilst they didn't hold up well in a few of the songs, they fared much better than I expected. These two were real surprises and I think they're at least passable, the strings on the CCW track definitely exceeded my expectations.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-08 11:56 PM (#286 - in reply to #71)
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#DXZeff
Originally it had a barrel battery, so no need to mod any RTC-battery. :-)
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-09 2:09 AM (#287 - in reply to #71)
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@Brostenen The numbering of the slots themselves does not always relate to master or slave. I have a couple, maybe more than a couple Socket 7 boards who's PCI slots are numbers backwards from what I see on other boards, having the shared PCI/ISA slot labeled as 1 for example instead of 3, 4 or 5. I will have to refrain from saying every vlb motherboard has the master slot(s) closest to the processor, because once I say that, someone, Hightreason probably, will say they have seen 1 that wasn't that way Now personally speaking, all of the vlb boards that I currently have, or have had in the past have always had the vlb slot furthest away from the cpu as slave. Usually it is printed on the board around the vlb slots master and slave, but of course not all boards. TH99 is a great site. I use them all the time, though I have come across a couple boards they seem to know nothing about, or have a close but not totally accurate picture or description of the jumpers and general layout.

@HighTreason

Oh you sneaky bastard. You found a sound module for that thing. I didn't even think about the possibility of that existing. Of course such card never came up on my ebay search for PC/104. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist getting one of those little cards. Too interesting By the way, you should see if the card does indeed need the 12v from the floppy header, or if that is just for show because i can't see a reason why this board would need more than 5v. If it does run off of 5v only, a power brick of some sorts should work to power this little guy up if you decide to use the enclosure. Maybe you should get one of those "Fake real security cameras" that William showed and put this STPC board into that. Put one of those little eyeball stickers behind the glass window. You should post more of your music to Youtube, in your videos or something. Really good stuff man.

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Posted 2017-03-09 4:59 AM (#288 - in reply to #71)
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@High Treason

I just tested my black top PPro chip, Fistbug is present!
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-09 11:04 AM (#289 - in reply to #288)
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The closest I've seen to slots not being laid out that way is my P66 which induces endless headaches with regards to PCI implementation. Slot 1 is the lowest slot, but they're all the same distance from the CPU and it is, from a routing perspective, closer to the required pins on the chipset. Either that or the BIOS is wired backwards which doesn't seem unlikely as many of the settings are a little strange and don't always do what you expect them to. Thanks to requiring memory holes and such, the setup in there is particularly precarious and if just one setting is slightly off the whole thing stops working. VLB boards seem to be consistently the same though, which makes sense given the apparent constraints on trace length, supposedly the CPU struggles to drive slots which are further away and the only boards I have seen with slots that are a long way from the CPU are generally VIP boards which run some sort of bridge and don't always perform very well. Some VLB boards place the CPU in the top corner and those ones tend to move the VLB slots up to the center of the board so as to keep them close to the CPU, like this one;


I wasn't sure audio existed for PC/104 but then I was also suspicious I had unwittingly used a kiosk that was running either PC/104 or something very similar that had audio and figured it didn't hurt to look. I stumbled into that ESS module and figured that as I could get one of those, I could therefore look at using this system as my new sequencing system as I need something smaller than the K5/P4 combination I have now and a 486 will have more than enough power.

According to the datasheet, only a single +5V supply is required with very low current, an abundant and well standardized voltage that should be easy to supply the system with. I even wonder if a USB port on a nearby machine might have enough current to run the system. I think I'll stick to a generic metal enclosure, I rather like those, very utilitarian and given I have gear housed in those that has been around for upwards of 40 years, I think it's safe to say they're quite rugged.

That music is going to appear on YouTube, one song for each part, though results do vary greatly.

I have located my Pentium Pro, I spent ages looking for it only to remember it is right at the end of my sofa inside a cardboard box. It would be strange if mine didn't have the bug, but I'd imagine the result will be the same.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-09 7:15 PM (#290 - in reply to #289)
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No matter what VLB slot the CL-5428 are installed in, I get 44.3 in 3Dbench-1.0 and 43.6 in 3Dbench-1.0c.
I simply can't get any higher than that. I have an idea that I can go even higher than that, by using a S3-805 card.

EDIT:
Sorry.... Crosschecked and ran them again.
45.4 in 1.0 and 44.3 in 1.0c
My fault, sorry.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-09 9:21 PM (#291 - in reply to #290)
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I found the manual for your Abit board - http://www.epanorama.net/sff/Computer/Motherboards/AH4-AH4T_486_Mot...

Overview states the VLB is either 2 master + 1 slave, or 3 slaves.

Bios option shows Local Master (device) Choose Enabled or Disabled (Default). If Enabled the VESA Local Master (Device) card is monitored.

I do not see anything in the manual actually stating which slots are which. I am guessing all slots are running in slave mode when the bios option is disabled.

This board does have the jumper JP29 to change the VLB wait state ( 0 or 1 ) so you might want to check that jumper to. Some cards I can get away with 0 ws up to 50mhz bus, others wont go past 33 with 0 ws. 1ws will also be a hit on performance so just make sure it is set to what it shows in the manual for 33mhz, otherwise 1ws will slow things down a bit.


Being this is an ABIT board, it might not matter which slot the card is in as the bios may just autodetect which slot the master capable card(s) are installed in and enables those slots as master accordingly. That's what it seems to me like this board is doing and why the slots are not labeled master/slave or any reference in the manual of the slot configuration, but that is a pure guess based on what I am seeing in the manual.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-09 9:54 PM (#292 - in reply to #291)
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I saw that too in the manual. Yet as it is under power management, I think it is how the PM is functioning.
I have turned everything off under power management. Regarding the jumpers on the mobo, then I have
only messed around with the clockspeed, and it can boot on both 33 and 50 mhz.
As for the waitstate, I will be checking it all out on monday. I don't have any more time this week for retro'.
It will actually be pretty nice to see if I can get it to work with 50mhz and 0 ws.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-09 11:17 PM (#293 - in reply to #292)
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The TSeng in my 486SX is in the second lowest slot with no penalty and they are not labelled. There appears to be no consequence, so perhaps my board is similar in how it operates. Said TSeng does not work at 50MHz regardless of the WS/BUS CLOCK jumper positions, yielding only an ominous red flashing screen.

In other news, I have mostly rebuilt the Pentium Pro, it has been moved to the beige case my Athlon was temporarily living in, so here it is before the swap began;


I have not set up the OS or anything yet, and I also have to do this with the Athlon as that has changed drives - as noted in my Mario 64 videos, I was using the old drives from my Athlon 1500+ which are very heavily worn and cannot exceed 3.5MB/s transfer speeds anymore. I have switched to a 40GB Hitachi Deathstar for the time being but will likely switch to CF in the future. Anyway, here is the Athlon in that case;




Massive amounts of copper in this machine are mandatory to keep the temperature under control, the 266MHz Athlon 2800+ is a very hot processor, I dare say it dumps more heat than the 3200+ likely due to the lower FSB making everything significantly less efficient. Essentially it is an older 2600+ core with double the L2 cache installed. You may be able to make out the GeForce 4 Ti 4600, the Bt878 and the SW1000XG cards.

Due to the nature of the Athlon and the fact that it will eventually replace the role of two NetBurst machines, I have nicknamed this system the "ChipZilla Killer" even though I think the 2800 marker was where Intel started catching up again - the Athlon would still have been better value if you could get a motherboard that actually worked, it's a shame so many of them didn't. My board has a trade-off for it's "actually f-ing works" qualities, and that is the fact it predates ATX12V and so requires a very strong +5V rail to get it to even start up properly. I still need to re-cap my 650 Watt supply, but the 430W one should hold up for now and seems to be running at acceptable temperatures, but I wouldn't want to stress it 24/7 and I don't plan on using it in here forever if I can help it.


I cannot make my mind up which sound card to install in the Pentium Pro as yet, because I won't be using the SB128 again, that was temporary and I have always had a strong dislike for those cards. Actually, that's an understatement, I absolutely hate those cards. As the DOS side is a little weak and I won't be using it for that very much if at all (I want to run Windows 95 and NT mostly) I am not sure I care very much about the DOS support so I may move the SoundScape from my POD and install the GUS in that system, as it has been homeless for quite a while since the PB became too flaky for my liking. This would leave the S-2000 for the PPro and the POD as my demo-rig, as it doesn't really get along with the S-2000 anyway. My other possibility is the Terratec from my K5.

I am hoping the PPro is capable of playing Atlantis: The Lost Tales as I have wanted to play it again for a while, but my P3 is too quick - and has a dead drive which puts me off fixing some software problems, as I plan to re-install the OS on new drives when I make my mind up if I want SCSI again or to just give up and go IDE - and everything else is either too slow, fast to a level that makes it unplayable, or else too new to run it at all. Thinking of re-playing RotH on my P66 soon too, might record that after Mirror's Edge though for the second channel. Not sure about any of this yet.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-09 11:55 PM (#294 - in reply to #293)
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Nice... Athlons are a nice platform. Personally I do not know what speed suits me the best or rather wich one is the best.
Slot-A are not really that special, Socket-A are perfect for fast Win98 and Socket 754 are sometimes too fast for Win98.
Actually a 754 are the top line when it comes to Win98 systems. Athlon64 is for XP, wich is perhaps a bit off the table.
SocketA it is then.

So you'r Athlon is a bit like Socket 478 regarding heat then? What exact cooler would be the best that you can think of?
I know it should be all copper, yet, wich cooler? The only one that I have tried that are pure, is a NorthQ (60 to 120mm)

EDIT:
Regarding the blue light... Uhmmm... Everyone has his own taste. Personally I like green or orange better.
On a second thought, then I have actually allways had a slightly lesser liking to those coloured lights.
I think it has to do with all them young ones, that are tricking out their cars. I am more of a basic man....
I remember around 1999/2000, were you could buy gearnobs, stereoframes and stuff like that with cold light.
You know... Making the cabin shine bright with cold blue cathode light. To me, it just went too far.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-10 1:13 AM (#295 - in reply to #294)
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I like Socket A the best as with Slot A (which I've never owned) I don't think there's any point in me getting one over a Pentium III and even a Pentium II is probably more useful to me personally for software from that time, I like the Pentium II. Socket 754 was a good budget socket, but it never appealed to me and whilst I have a board and processor, I only use it to test hardware I don't trust to avoid potentially blowing up something I care about.

Indeed, I run 98SE on Socket A machines because I think whilst XP is the OS of the time (for the Athlon XP. I know, who would have thought?) the only software that requires XP exclusively will benefit from a faster system anyway and software which doesn't need a faster machine almost always runs fine (and often better) under Windows 98. I've always said that there's a certain snappiness about an Athlon under Windows 9X, when configured correctly, that has yet to be matched. I do usually have XP too, in dual-boot, but only use it if I have to or to play around with things.

The cooler I use is the only copper one I have ever seen on sale, a CompUSA branded one that sold surprisingly cheap (as in, the copper itself is worth more than I paid for it) and was unused, sealed in the box. Lovely heatsink and a decent fan, no stupid temperature control.

I'm not really one for lights and I like plain looking cases. I take pride in not having a case window because if I can forget what the inside of the computer looks like, this implies I must have had no reason to go in there and that must mean that I built it properly because it worked for long enough that I could forgot. The Athlon though is essentially the chav of processors in my mind - and you're pretty much right, because any self respecting chav wants to be a boy racer and will usually ruin a half-decent car by sticking badly fitted body kits and mismatched neons onto it whilst blasting their crappy "oonts-oonts" music - but as such, it must also have "the bling" and needless show-off accessories that probably only serve to make it worse. Personally I like white lights or red. Green is fine but only a specific shade and finding things with the green LEDs I like is quite hard to do. The blue fans came with the case and the only cathodes I had left over were UV and Cool Blue. I did want it to look as tacky as possible though, so I think it works as intended.

Me and a friend once replaced the LEDs in his PC, one at a time, as we put it all together. We used these tiny indicator bulbs, they were LED sized and ran at 3 Volts, though were rated higher so had a nice orange glow at 3-5V. Unfortunately I have been unable to source them in recent years. They looked like these;

One of many times where I wish I'd had a digital camera to hand back then, or at least had my 110 to hand with film loaded, it was beautiful to look at. They did puke out a decent amount of heat though. I have seen them referred to as "Grain of Wheat Bulbs" and "Miniature Incandescent Bulbs" as well as "Rice Bulbs / Rice Lamps" before now... Wait... I found them!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100Pcs-Ature-Lamp-3Mm-12V-Indicator-Bulb-...
Be warned if you want to follow in our footsteps, most LED headers don't like driving these and whilst it never happened, I would not be surprised if they could melt plastic housings if sufficient heat build up was allowed to form.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-10 9:30 AM (#296 - in reply to #295)
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Mmmmm... Yeah. Beige is like the goto color of a retro/vintage machine. Black is ok too I guess. Even an all firetruck-red, yellow, orange or even grass green will do. Personally I would not mind a case like that.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-10 5:39 PM (#297 - in reply to #71)
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Since we were on the subject of the STPC at some point in this thread, I figured I would share this little box I just hit the buy button on. Should be very interesting to play with. $15 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vortex-Mini-PC/272578899017?_trksid=p204767...

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Posted 2017-03-10 6:35 PM (#298 - in reply to #297)
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Vortex86, MP6 core right? I'm kind curious as to if the new ones with the 1GHz+ clock at DDR3 are still an MP6 internally. At that price I would imagine it is well worth it, especially with CF support right out of the front panel.

Not for me though, I'll stick to my STPC Atlas as I'm a 486 guy through-and-through.

Edit; If this is correct, then the Cray XT3 (An Opteron supercomputer) still used 486 technology inside to control things - https://www.okqubit.net/crayxt3.html

Makes me wonder if they were still there in the XT4 and XT5 as they were mostly just updated versions of the XT3.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-10 6:56 PM (#299 - in reply to #298)
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MP6 according to wikipedia anyway. I am curious how it performs against the real MP6 chip. I am going to keep an eye out though for an STPC based micro computer like this though. Might be a cheaper way to find one of those. My idea is for this to be something that can be recommended as a cheap system for those wanting to get into vintage dos gaming but don't want to have a traditional vintage pc or don't want to spend the money building one. P133 performance levels are what I am expecting from this little box when factoring in what ever low power video chip this probably has in it. I am itching to have a look inside of this box and see if it is the same basic board design as your STPC Atlas board, with the I/O being PC/104 boards. Maybe there will be a way to add a com 1 port to this little guy without much fuss.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-10 8:58 PM (#300 - in reply to #299)
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I have seen a few MP6 boards, as well as those with MediaGX cores with niceties like Audio built in, or at least included on the board. An image search for "EBox 2300" seems to indicate that the COM ports are on headers, so you should be able to add one.

It does not appear to feature the PC/104 bus, but there is what looks like an unpopulated IDC header in some pictures which might have been intended for the interface at some point, it looks about the right size, though it also seems the board varies quite widely between the available pictures and I don't think your one has that. They do all seem to have the RS-232 headers though, so if you can find one with the smaller IDC connector somewhere, it should be easy to add one. It might not be quite as critical though I I suspect USB Legacy Support would have been implemented, meaning you could use a USB mouse and have no need for a second PS/2 port or RS-232 if the BIOS supports it.

My thoughts early on were that if a cheap enough source of such things could be found, that it could be useful for such people. Only time will tell I suppose.

Definitely worth keeping a look out for an STPC, I rather like the 66MHz one I have and am itching to start playing around with the 133MHz version. I am also curious as to how it handles next to a 5x86 (Both Cyrix and AMD) but given the UMA VGA and the fact that PC/104 appears to be basically ISA if I wanted to use an external VGA device, I think SpeedSys is going to be invaluable in that field. It should be fast enough to run Cakewalk though, letting me free up space by removing the bulky, overpowered setup I have doing that job now.
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Posted 2017-03-10 10:18 PM (#301 - in reply to #300)
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I found a shot of the bios screens - http://wiki.meteohub.de/Setup_ebox#BOIS_Settings_ebox_2300

It only shows USB Device enable/disable. Usually there is an option in the bios for legacy support if such option is implemented. Maybe it is there and the option is just enabled all the time, or maybe the bios has been updated with legacy usb support option since these photos were taken. Just have to see when I get it. I am hoping the headers for the serial are the same as what would be on, say a socket 7 motherboard, and I can just use one of those cables as I have several I can use.
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Posted 2017-03-12 1:13 AM (#302 - in reply to #301)
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On a completely unrelated note (being really off-topic on my own board) it is possible that some people might remember that washbasin I... err... maintained ownership over from the old house?

Well, I installed it in my garden shed, complete with water supply.

Useful for cleaning things, the water is also clean so it can be drank. The whole thing can be removed quickly as it uses a 3/4" tap connector, installed in reverse, connected to the washing machine supply as a means of tapping the existing water system at the house. As such, the whole installation can merely be unscrewed and pulled out if I ever have to move again leaving nothing but an 18mm hole in the wall that I have to seal up. I'm also quite proud of the fact the pipework survived the freezing weather not so long ago and did not ice up or rupture. For drainage it also simply taps into an existing system and can be removed simply by sawing the pipe off (as I use solvent weld) and either replacing the section it tees into or else capping the tee that it feeds into.

Pretty funny because the neighbours throw strange looks at me over the fence when they can hear water running. I also have heating out here, soon to be thermostatically controlled and needless to say, I have power. The only crappy thing is having to cart the tools back into the house every time I've worked out here as I don't fully trust alarms and locks.
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Posted 2017-03-13 4:58 PM (#303 - in reply to #302)
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Did you add a wireless router to that wash basin? You should RGB that basin, at least that would make more sense than Linus RGBing his server rack which will never be seen when the door is closed.
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Posted 2017-03-13 9:48 PM (#304 - in reply to #303)
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I have been testing/benching vlb vga cards on my Abit 486 board.
It is running with a dx2-66 write through, 128kb 20ns cache.
I know this is just a quick and dirty benchmarking, yet it tells me what to expect
from a final build in the future. I am quite happy with this setup with the S3.

Are these results the standard results that are to expected?

CL-5428-VLB 1mb:
3D-Bench 1.0 = 45.3
3D-Bench 1.0c = 44.3

S3-805-VLB 1mb:
3D-Bench 1.0 = 47.6
3D-Bench 1.0c = 47.4


#DXZeff:
Nice work... Been a bit off the grid, because my daughter and my son had their weekend at my place.
Great to see that you finally put that sink into use. Kudos to you man!!!
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@WaybackTech; Haha, nah, the D-Link was there so I could get Ethernet out there via WiFi and hook my Toshiba laptop up the the network so I could work on my book out there. Unfortunately, that WAP is the only WiFi device that can't get a signal out there so my plan didn't work and I've had to revert to using floppy disks.

@Brostenen; I don't remember my scores for similar spec systems, nor do I currently have access to them, but it sounds about right for what I'd expect.
I've been quiet too as I really haven't had much to do lately, still trying to figure out how to get out of this total dead-end I have found myself at. Hopefully I will have a bike that I can actually ride soon, it just depends on how badly the previous owner has dismantled it as I'm hoping to take it from their garbage in a few days.
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3D bench scores are about right for a DX2/66. Interestingly my sis 461 actually outpaces the 471 by about 3 fps on 3Dbench when paired with a UMC processor.
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#DXZeff
Sounds cool. Glad to hear that you are finally planning to get out and do some biking again.
Things take time, when dealing with health, especially after what you had to endure healthwise.
If I am not mistaken, and remember correctly, you did get a surgery right?

On the board. Yes. It runs doom really well, using that dx2-66 write through cpu.
Actually running a bit better than the dx2-66 I bought back in 1995.
Back then, Doom was playable, yet it did run a bit flacky or chunky if you can put it that way.
This however, is how I remember it, fully aware that memories that old are misleading.
I might after all, be getting that dream dx2 system wich I wanted back then.
What I can't figure out, is if I have to source a desktop or a tower case for it.

I ordered a 512mb CF card for it, as the one I am using for testing this board, is only a 32mb card.
CF cards are cool solutions. Low power consumption, no noise.
Yet they tend to die faster than a real harddrive. And I will be missing the actual full speed experience.
Nice to have a fast storage solution, yet if the solution is too fast, it just do not feel the same.
Old 500 to 800 megabyte harddrives are rare, hard to source and too expensive to buy these days.
CF cards are easy to obtain, cost next to nothing. So.. Uhmmm....
Both solutions offer advantages and disadvantages. Basically comes down to what's cheapest.

EDIT:
Just realised, that if I source an ATX desktop case that I can mount AT boards in.
Then the cards will "stand up", and I can use both the AWE32 CT-3900 and the CT-6080 MPEG1 playback
card in the same machine. The playback card is one of them MP400 cards from creative.
If I use a tower case, then the cards will start to "hang" and eventually start to bend. (Not good)

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Posted 2017-03-14 12:08 AM (#308 - in reply to #306)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-14 1:58 AM

3D bench scores are about right for a DX2/66. Interestingly my sis 461 actually outpaces the 471 by about 3 fps on 3Dbench when paired with a UMC processor.


Cool.... Thanks for the heads up. :-)
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Posted 2017-03-14 12:24 AM (#309 - in reply to #307)
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No surgery for my stomach, that was for cancer. It wasn't too debilitating, the stomach problem was but can be controlled with medication. I have to do something, I can't just stare at the same four walls for much longer. I've got a long way to go to get to where I was, but I will get there.

I think I've said before how it is strange how spoiled we are now, what used to be playable is today considered a train-wreck. I think it was in the Atlantis video where I noted the game needed a much faster computer than we had in 1997, but literally nobody noticed or even cared, you were just happy that it even ran at all.

CF cards are OK, but they will never replace the charm of a clattering drive inside the machine. I still intend to find a way of rattling dead drives when the CF card is accessed. As you say though, real drives are often cost prohibitive now and I am paranoid about the ones I still have failing some day. Kinda sad to think that inevitably, there will come a time when no mechanical hard drives are left operating on this planet.

Edit: In response you your edit - I prefer Desktop cases anyway, so I'm with you 100% on that one

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DXZeff - 2017-03-14 2:24 AM
I think I've said before how it is strange how spoiled we are now, what used to be playable is today considered a train-wreck. I think it was in the Atlantis video where I noted the game needed a much faster computer than we had in 1997, but literally nobody noticed or even cared, you were just happy that it even ran at all.


Well.. I remember Doom only being playable in half sized window. And still a bit chunky.
So I was happy when I bought that 5x86-133 cpu and mobo combi I briefly had running from 97 to 98.
I have allways bought mid to low graded spec's when looking at what's avaliable at that period.
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Posted 2017-03-14 12:48 AM (#311 - in reply to #310)
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I'll dabble with nearly anything, I seem to have a lot of high-end stuff, but my real love is for low-end gear. Don't ask me why, but I always seem to end up having more fun with less powerful machines, and I like the challenges they can present.

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Well the EBOX-2300 arrived yesterday ( THAT WAS FAST! ) and I had a look inside of the little box which took some figuring out how to get it apart aside from removing the 4 screws on the bottom of the case. The thick thermal pad between the heatsink and the casing had it stuck down pretty good. Thankfully the pad is one of those reusable types so it didn't break apart into tiny little pieces.

Windows 98 looks like it will be a challenge to install but I have a few ideas to get the job done. I am pretty sure I have figured out what this "Vortex86" SOC chip is, and am quite sure about what drivers will work with it under 98. Copying W98 setup disk to the CF card resulted in the setup just simply not launching. I know others have turned these little boxes into 98 machines, so it is just a matter of finding the right combination of things to get the job done. Dos benchmark wise, my initial guestimate of a P133 seems to be pretty close.

While Topbench scores 864 ( hot damn! ) the rest of the benchmarks point to overall being the performance level of a P133. Doom scored 82FPS, Quake was 30FPS, 3D Bench was about 124, PCP was about 43fps, NSSI scores the drystone a bit lower than a K6-2-266, Whetstone is about that of a P200.

No serial headers present on PCB. The holes are there, but no pins / connector installed. a 44 pin ide connector does exist on the bottom of the board, so an 44 pin to CF, or SATA adapter with SSD of some sort could be installed. Decent bios. Clock generator chip present on PCB may be software overclockable. 128MB of ram on board which up to 64MB can be allocated to video memory. Light speed posting. I had to add a 4 second delay for hard drive spin up in the bios just so I could actually see the AMI post screen. So far very interesting little box.

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Posted 2017-03-14 11:30 PM (#314 - in reply to #312)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-14 7:04 PM
Windows 98 looks like it will be a challenge to install but I have a few ideas to get the job done. I am pretty sure I have figured out what this "Vortex86" SOC chip is, and am quite sure about what drivers will work with it under 98. Copying W98 setup disk to the CF card resulted in the setup just simply not launching. I know others have turned these little boxes into 98 machines, so it is just a matter of finding the right combination of things to get the job done. Dos benchmark wise, my initial guestimate of a P133 seems to be pretty close.


Have you tried to dump the complete 98 installer into a directory (c:\install\win98se\), in order to launch it directly from the drive?

EDIT:
Sorry... Read it too fast. I am tired. (00:31am here)

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Posted 2017-03-15 12:15 AM (#315 - in reply to #314)
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It's odd, I had problems with installers on the STPC but thought it was due to my flash cards and hard drives. I'm guessing there's no USB boot? That might let you use a USB drive to get around the problem.

My SBC is not here yet, but it has arrived in the UK so it should be here in a few days. Audio module is still in California for the time being however.

I haven't done much interesting today, all I've done is try to figure out how to rearrange the living room and I played some Street Legal on my Athlon.
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Posted 2017-03-15 2:56 AM (#317 - in reply to #71)
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I have been able to install 98. I recopied the 98 install files to the CF card and it worked this time ( more fun with linux! ). My current issue is the audio. Video driver I have working, though at 10x7 resolution, any color depth, the refresh is appears to be 43hz interlaced. Changing refresh rate has no effect. 8x6 seems to be fine though. Audio driver seems to be a big ? at the moment. Supposedly this uses AC97 , but as of yet no AC97 driver ( sis included ) has worked under 98. As it appears this system originally shipped with a version of Windows CE that is XP based, it may require the HDAUDIO patch that was available for XP starting with SP2 and was included with SP3 for the realtek driver to work. Not sure though, as this particular SOC ( SIS550 ) began shipping in 2001. Unfortunately while the SIS 550 presentation / block diagram states Windows 98 driver support, I have as of time of writing this been unable to find such drivers from SIS. I was able to use the SIS Univga for the video driver, but with the aforementioned refreshrate issue at 10x7, not sure it is 100% compatible. Good news is, yes USB mouse does work perfectly under windows and dos as a PS/2 mouse, including windows 98 setup, no problems there. Cdrom booting does work, but without a usb cdrom driver present, the cdrom simply does not work under dos, no drive letter. Supposedly there is a panasonic usb cdrom dos driver that works with "most" usb cdroms, haven't downloaded it though yet. If it does work though, will have to make a custom boot disk for usb cdrom support under dos.

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Posted 2017-03-15 9:51 PM (#319 - in reply to #317)
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#waybacktech
Nice to see you have managed to install 98 on it. :-) I did search for info on how to, yesterday evening.
For what I could see, browsing around, a lot of people have that same driver issues as you.
There were some talk about looking for them at the manufactors site (chip manufactors)
Perhaps you can find something there?
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Posted 2017-03-15 11:01 PM (#322 - in reply to #319)
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I wouldn't count on it, DM&P's website is an ancient mess (says me) of broken links. Annoyingly, their FTP also doesn't allow directory listings because reasons. Perhaps you can fire them an e-mail? I doubt it would work, but it doesn't hurt. The best I can get for the VGA is that it is some kind of XGI Volari (Z9 implied) core, but D&MP modified the driver somehow.

The best I can find for the audio is SiS 7019, the XP driver on the manufacturer's site does have a $CHICAGO$ string in the INF so it may be a generic WDM that works in Windows 98, but I doubt it. I've found these newer codecs infuriating, as I have two boards using the same Intel chipset and the same RealTek codec, but their drivers are completely incompatible. This might be old enough that they were still just adequately generic so as to function. I suppose you could try to find other machines using the same processor and try their maker's website instead if all else fails. I was going to suggest ECS as they liked SiS chipsets and I am sure they used that codec on some of their early K7 boards, but they have removed the 9X drivers for the boards I checked and I appear to have lost my ECS discs from that time.

Still, at least you've got Windows 98 running.
-And they wonder why I rarely leave DOS...

I have moved some things around my living room and am looking at hooking up the Pentium D to record something. As in, record with the Xeon, the Pentium D will be playing. Mirror's Edge time.
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Posted 2017-03-16 2:15 AM (#323 - in reply to #71)
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I did try the 7018 driver with no luck. I will look for the 7019 and give that a try. The only successful driver installation so far has been the C-Media 8338/8738 driver, which also adds legacy sb pro support and game port, which at least this sis550 is shown to have a game port so I thought, ok cool this might actually work, but any time a sound of any sort is played, the system freezes while it is "playing", then unfreezes afterwards. I don't hear the sound hardware being initialized during startup ( typical pop or click in headphones ) either. Behaves like an IRQ conflict almost, but it says there is no confilcts. That is as close as I came so far. DM&P purchased the SOC division from SIS, which I think explains why this box has a SIS550 chip instread of their own Vortex branded chip, probably left over stock aquired from SIS, bios date is 2006 which is about when the acquisition took place. I had the idea that this SIS550 chip was mearly just a SIS540 with a MP6 core attached, which SIS licenced from RISE in 2001, but none of the 540 drivers worked so they must have done some changes. I don't even know if the integrated DAC on this chip is worth a damn to be able to handle more than 43 hz interlaced at 10x7.

I think at this point I am probably going to have to load XP on this thing and see what the hardware id is on both the video and sound hardware and go from there. Booting into mini-xp from my hiren's disk resulted in a ramdisk error during boot, so that idea was a bust too Puppy Linux from a USB thumb drive might tell me the hardware too.
Ethernet was a breeze, just a comon realtek 8110.

... and no FIST bug present either!

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It just occurred to me... Doesn't Everest run under Windows 98SE?

http://filehippo.com/download_everest_home/

It might shed some light.
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Posted 2017-03-16 8:40 PM (#325 - in reply to #324)
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If all goes to plan, I'll be back in the world of K6 goodness soon!
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.... K6-2-500 goodness from what I see. 384Mb ram. TNT2 32MB. Curious what TNT2 that ends up being.

edit: nevermind, TNT2 M64 is what the listing says. Heck of a heatsink for an M64 card.

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Posted 2017-03-16 11:12 PM (#327 - in reply to #325)
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DXZeff - 2017-03-16 10:40 PM
If all goes to plan, I'll be back in the world of K6 goodness soon!


To me, these kind of motherboards seem cool. They are a bit of this and a bit of that. An AT board with some ATX technology.
Really a kind of frankenstein-type of product, wich are just off and cool in it's self. Yeah.... Love them.
On the other hand, I have allways had a hard time, figuring out what to make of them, as K6's scream ATX in my mind.
And yet.... It is there... Clearly on an AT style board. Hmmm.... Confusing, cool and awesome.

I had one such board at one time. I traded it for something else. It was an Epox board, and it even had a SB-Link header.
Most confusing. Most fun to play with. Yeah.... It's a bit like a 440bx, running a P-III in an AT case. A strange and cool creature.

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@waybacktech; I'm guessing you've been fiddling around with the completed listings page? Then you'll know how grossly expensive these were with this being the cheapest one to come with any decent hardware. It cost the same for a 5AGM2 with nothing and almost the same for another with low-end hardware that was in poor shape. I figured that as it was already configured much the same as my old K6 (which did use a Chaintech 5AGM and not a TMC like this one) it was probably worth it. The only thing I won't be getting back is the Rage and the data on my hard drive. I am currently unsure of if I want to use it with the TNT or substitute one of my other Rage cards, I will probably keep the TNT for a while as I would probably be disappointed with how my remaining Rages are much slower than the one I had. It's nice to have a second FM801 though, these are surprisingly useful and it will probably find a place somewhere else, this thing will likely get an AWE64 or something, probably from my Dual P3 as I've never found myself utilising it in there, it was fine with the cheap ESS card I was using.

@Brostenen; Odd indeed, the ATX form factor boards seem rare and expensive now, though I saw a few regular Socket 7 boards in ATX when I was looking. I was actually looking for someone else, but he didn't buy anything so I snagged this. What is equally strange to this AT-with-ATX board (Super AT I guess you could call them) is how my PPro does the reverse and provides an AT power connector on an ATX board. I did see some of those AT Slot 1 boards around too, mostly LX-based ones. Brought back memories of a computer that was donated to one of the kid's homes, where they had a board like that, but in an AT case which the previous owner had decorated liberally, it seemed "Mr. Paulton The Vigilante" thought highly of himself, he's even made his own desktop wallpaper in Paint... I guess I'm just as bad for sticking DXZeff logos on everything though.

I saw a Chaintech 5TTM when I was browsing too. This was the first motherboard I ever saw new and I still have the manual, but it was not for my machine. It was an object of fascination back then and I was tempted to get the one I saw, but I thought better of it. I shall stick to my Intel branded 430TX board for plain Socket 7 Pentium MMX stuff.

I am hoping this TMC will be good, I ran a TMC board some years ago and it was the fastest P75 I ever used, given it was basically an updated Socket 5 board. Sadly it died due to battery problems and I've never gotten it to run again, nor have I ever seen another for sale. But if it was anything to go on, then I have high hopes for their Super Socket 7 entry.

Assuming this thing works, it may also signal that the Voodoo project is back on for some date in the future, if I can be bothered to replace the missing nVidia and ATI cards I wanted to test them against.

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Well I searched on the model # on the motherboard to see who made it and the listing came up. I didn't know how seriously you were looking for a super socket 7 board, I could have hooked you up bro with a combo to send to you, though the spare board I have is ( i think ) a gigabyte board and it has 1MB L2 cache. I know i've got a couple K6-2-500's and I've got Rage 128's and TNT2 M64's coming out of my ass Should have send me a message dude! don't have one of those sound cards though. I've got the Aladdin 5 1MB L2 ATX board too just chilling. With the size of the heatsink on that TNT2 card you're getting, stick a fan on that sucker and might get a decent overclock on that chip. I like the M64 cards. They seemed to me to be better than one would expect from a real cheap low end offering.

I haven't messed with the ebox since my last posting about it. Everest does run under 98 and 95 as well. Good idea to try that, though I am not sure if it is sophisticated enough to actually tell me what the audio/video actually is without a driver already being loaded to give it that information. I have AIDA for dos, so that might shed light on it too. NSSI had no clue

I've got some more goodies to share myself. I'll post the rest a bit later, but for now, a motherboard with "evil inside" has graced my presence, fitting name being an Intel product. Didn't know the board had a modded bios until I powered it up. Pretty cool. I got this because, well it was a hell of a deal, and because I sold the computer I built ( urgm 1.0 ) which had the Tusl2 board and a Tually 1.4 installed over a year ago, and well wanted another one. Also found a Via 133 based Tually board, with celery 900 tually core chip already installed ( not like I don't already have some celery tually's ) so that will be a nice face off video in the near future, pics coming soon.



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Posted 2017-03-17 1:15 AM (#330 - in reply to #329)
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It doesn't matter, I'm sure I'll get my money's worth out of it anyway, given there are several things I can't really do right now having such a gap in my collection - there is literally nothing between 233MHz and 1100MHz right now as my P2 and K6 plugged that gap nicely. I had pretty specific things in mind for the board anyway, I really had my heart set on another Chaintech, it just happens that the TMC is almost identical.

X86-Secret eh? Weren't they the guys with the exploding Duron in the Google Video times? I remember those being posted everywhere for a while. Odd that you'd find that while I'm trying to assemble a K6 as one thing I am really pissed about losing is the custom BIOS I had cobbled together which replaced the EPA logo with a nuclear fission symbol, U-92 Pollution Creator it read with the POST message saying "It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum!" for added pointlessness. Nobody has ever noticed my custom POST messages or if they did, they never mentioned it. I am leaving it until someone spots them, as some are questionable at best. It wasn't easy to add that EPA logo though and I'm not sure I can be bothered to do it again. The logo your board displays actually came with the tools I used to do it, which makes me wonder if they are somehow linked to that board or if the previous owner used the same toolkit and simply liked the logo... Hmm, think I will try to put another nuclear one together eventually, I guess I may have a backup on my old Dell laptop, but I hate firing that thing up.

I should probably sell my Tualatin 1.4 eventually, as they don't work in my P6DGU and I'm happy with the 1100MHz Coppermines, given everything worked fine at 750MHz anyway. I got them years ago with the PL-P3/SMP adaptors for less than the adaptors usually go for anyway, and as the adaptors are what allows me to even use the 1100MHz chips, as well as the fact they came with low-profile copper heatsinks, I think it is safe to say I won't make a loss. I literally have no desire to play with Tualatin chips, so I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with, then I'll cheat by having the second Coppermine enabled and say I won.

Everest goes on Vendor/Device ID as far as I remember, but I also seem to think it only did that in certain pages. PC Wizard from CPUID used to be quite good, but I don't know if it has this ability. Also it is hard to find and is unreliable on Win9X to the point that I couldn't honestly recommend it. Everest always seems to at least work as intended though, even if its benchmark tool is completely pointless - my Pentium D consistently loses to Athlon XP machines in every test.

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im pretty sure this is a legit bios mod, though I haven't actually messed with it yet. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/tweak/i815twken.htm

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SL4BS were what I moved from as my board only does 100MHz FSB officially and turning it up to 133 caused problems for the SCSI controller. Otherwise, is that a P2B-DS I see there? Also, a Fury Maxx! Are you sure you weren't rummaging in my old K6 before it disappeared? those cards are awesome, though only one GPU will work under Windows XP, not sure about 2000, though this then means you lose the second CPU running in Windows 9X/ME. Still, you might want to hang onto that one as they're damn near impossible to find these days and I doubt you'd find another, as I am sure you are aware.

Well, now that you've dragged this out, I am definitely going to have to see if my 100MHz P3 can outrun this seemingly 133MHz system. Graphics tests would likely be unfair though as I think the Quadro 2 Pro was faster than the Fury Maxx due to their age gap. I can *cough* obtain *cough* for you a PassMark 6 or 7 that will not nag for registration if you would like?

Do you like the Live cards? I've always had rather a dislike for them personally, all whilst actually liking the Audigy despite it using practically the same audio processor. I think it is down to the drivers and many different incompatible version numbers more than anything that has kept me away from the Live. I ran a crappy C-Media for most of the time they were around, though it did what I wanted it to I guess, just had unbearably noise outputs.
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I may or may not run the Maxx in this build. I found it listed for $56 on ebay so I snagged it right away. I may run the Geforce2GTS card I have instead. Will have to see how the benchmarks work out but IDK, I ran NVidia back then so it is nice to switch things up and go ATI. Plan is Windows 2000 for this. I may do a load of XP just to show performance difference if any. P2B-DS. A $30 find. Only problem is 1 usb port is broken but given how expensive these boards are, and the fact I don't have a need for usb on this era of machine, doesn't bother me. Boxed with accessories. Board works and was running a pair of P3-550's. I am thinking the 133 bus might be an issue. I did do some looking around and saw others running these 133 bus chips on this motherboard. Bios update might be needed. Will have to see when I get into the project. I looked for the 100 bus version but it was SOOOO expensive. $20 shipped for both processors. Not sure if I will leave the heatsinks on, they are copper so they might stay. Rig a fan of some sort to blow through both of them ( 120mm maybe or a duct to the psu fan ) or just go with a couple traditional coolers as I have some brand new ones. I think there is 512MB of ram on this board right now.

I like the live cards, retail that is. Some of the revisions are kind of crap though, especially the Dell cards. This particular one is the X gamer 5.1 version which seems to be pretty well received.


If you want to get rid of those Tuallitans, I would perhaps be interested in a pair, with a pair of those adapters you have as well. I think they would make quite a nice home in this board.
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EBOX-2300 update.

Well Paul, you were right. SIS7019 turned out to be exactly what Everest detected. Good program.

Based on a search for SIS7019, and not finding much except mentions of it for puppy linux and QNX ( interesting ) I somehow managed through a roll of the google dice, to stuble on this ftp site: ftp://icop.com.cn/MSTI/eboxII/ which had the drivers for 98 along with other Windows versions.

Downside so far, unless I stumble on something else, Winamp only works with direct sound, and although the volume panel was present when I first loaded the driver, it disappeared on reboot after installing the video driver, and is greyed out. If it isn't one thing, it is another, but at least things are at a point where it is usable to some degree.

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Posted 2017-03-17 4:20 AM (#335 - in reply to #333)
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The GTS is practically the same GPU as the Quadro (In fact, I think you can mod them both ways, turning Quadro into GTS or GTS to Quadro) and that works well with mine, so it is most likely a good choice. I switched from a Radeon VE that I had been using for years which was also good. The bus speed on the P6DGU is toggled by the "Manufacture Setting" in the BIOS, setting it to Mode 5, another mode does 118MHz that can be useful too. The Asus is Award BIOS though, so I'm not sure what they'd have it listed as if it is toggled the same way, the P6DGU is an AMI BIOS board with a GX chipset. The 100MHz versions can cost a lot and the faster models don't always show up too often, it took me quite a while to track down these (SL5QW) ones, I think it was over two years with that upgrade pending which sucked because it would have been useful when that P3 was propping up the YouTube channel. They do cause a Microcode warning to appear though because even adding said microcode to the BIOS image does not get around some oddities in SuperO's firmware, luckily it doesn't halt the system and it starts anyway. The SL4BS chips I had were stuck with passive heatsinks, but they did not run hot even at full clock and a 120MM fan bolted between the top of the motherboard and underside of the PSU proved more than enough to keep them below 40 degrees. It was a high flow fan though, noisy, not everyone's cup of tea. Would probably have been fine with a slower one if the noise had bothered me. As for RAM, 2GB is installed in mine, that's as far as it goes. I'm unclear if the P2B is a BX or GX, so I'm not sure if it maxes out at 1GB or 2GB.

Most of the Live's I had were SB0220 versions, presumably sold by Quay Tec locally as they pushed them and sold them very cheap in polythene bags - no CD, no cable, but you could get those for an extra charge. There are a lot with some other part number I don't remember, 4830 or 4870, that seemed to be common too and neither of these ever worked willingly. I thought the Envy24 was OK in its time.

I'm not sure where my other slotkets have gone, but you should know they're very basica and are Coppermine only, were possibly only designed for Uniprocessor Celeron use (they definitely don't have proper SMP capabilities) and offer no Tualatin support, so there's every chance they won't work there. They were reserved for someone else, but I'm banned from the forum which that discussion took place on and it was over a year ago, so I guess they guy didn't want them that badly. We'll see I guess. The only Tualatin capable ones I have are in the P6DGU and I can't take them out because the board seems to have problems powering the CPUs with the other adapters, and they're the only ones I have that provide an independent power source to the processor. In fact, the only bad thing I can say for the P6DGU and SuperMicro boards in general is how rigid they are about running things within spec, but at the same time, I expect it because they're server boards and when they are running within spec, they generally stay running with minimal intervention.

I still need to replace that dead Atlas hard drive. I might look into that next payday as it has waited longer than I'd like, seems there are quite a few locally at good prices right now so with any luck the process will go smoothly. I think I have a couple of WD drives left where one had failed, I suppose it might be worth my time to test the other one before I fork anything out, but I am doubtful it will work well as they had a hell of a lot of miles on them.


For years now I've toyed with the idea of building a Dual or Quad Slot 2 machine. I doubt if I will, but maybe some day if the planets align just right. I can dream.

Edit: Aha! Excellent, you have the audio working now.
My PC/104 board still isn't here still, shouldn't be long now, it is "In transit with Destination Carrier" according to the tracking information.

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Just wondering how the "Asus TUSL2-C" stacks up against the "Intel D815EEA2", not in terms of speed, as the differences in
these boards are just too small to really be noticeable in 640x480 to 800x600 gaming.
I am more like.... How stable they are stacked up against each other, and how they are to work with, when compared.
All stuff like that, just as well as how they are, when dealing with compatibility?
You know... All those things that are not really been taken to dept, as everyone just seems to want raw benchmark numbers.
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Posted 2017-03-17 8:02 AM (#337 - in reply to #336)
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This is why I swear by makers like SuperMicro and QDI, they don't always win in the benchmarks, but as I said above; If ...they are running within spec, they generally stay running with minimal intervention... though I'd imagine almost any Asus boards that are still running will be generally quite reliable and Intel boards from Socket 7 upwards are something I haven't actually seen break yet, not of their own volition anyway. Seen a few of the low-end models killed by cheap µATX PSUs in the council's old P3-733 machines, but even then most of them stood up to it and came right back up after the PSU was replaced. I've used a lot of Intel boards that are abysmally slow though, to the point where it isn't just meaningless margins in a benchmark but a noticeable and annoying performance problem. This seems to be mostly gone by the time Slot 1 and the late Socket 7 (430TX) boards came around, but some of their older boards, especially their VX-based LPX Pentium boards, just cannot yield anywhere near what you would expect. The Intel board my Packard Bell used struggled to outrun a fast 486 in most applications despite having a 233MHz processor installed and yielding passable benchmark scores. I suppose they simply didn't have the hang of making them yet.

Then again, you're looking at the guy who uses ECS quite often and likes some of PCChips creations, so it is entirely possible that my thoughts are worth little if anything on such matters. Also I really need to sleep, so that won't help, going to fix that now.

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Posted 2017-03-17 5:24 PM (#338 - in reply to #71)
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The last Tusl2 board I had was probably the best w98 machine I had in terms of stability. It really is over powered for a 98 machine in my opinion but it keeps the frame rates nice and smooth with the games I had on it. The Pentium Pro desktop machine I have uses an ASUS board and it is solid as a rock. Intel OEM boards from my experience have been generally very reliable and good performing.

The other card that may end up on in the P2B-DS is my Radeon 7500 I picked up a couple weeks ago if the Maxx doesn't work correctly in 2000. I had actually forgotten about that little issue with the Maxx card, it might very well be there in 2000 unless ATI or someone else managed to get the driver working in 2000 to handle both GPU's. Maxx might be more suited for a Slot A W98 build anyway, might just find its way into the Slot A "3dcool.com" PC i picked up. Matrox Parhelia 512 is a card I am looking at too. It is said to be the last enthusiast card Matrox produced, which ticks the right box for me as I like the enthusiast vintage stuff best. I can get the 128MB version for $25 which is decent price but if I get one I want the full blown 256MB version, which is, of course, double the price, and at that point there are a couple other interesting cards to me, like the Fire GL3. Several months ago, I picked up the first Radeon 64Mb DDR version, but turned out to be a dead card unfortunately. Hoping that heating up the GPU to "reflow" the solder will fix it, but that doesn't always fix cards.

I too would like to build a Slot 2 machine, dual or quad. The motherboards seem to be tricky to find anymore. Processors are dime a dozen. I am not sure the extra cache over the standard PII/III would really make much of a difference but still would like to see.
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Posted 2017-03-17 9:04 PM (#339 - in reply to #338)
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Sounds like the TUSL2-C board is the same as the D815eea2 board. This is the exact same experience that I have with my D815eea2.
Rock solid and stable. The layout of the Intel board is decent too and there is no quirks as such, when building a system with that.
Could it be, that they are just identical in terms of what you get from them? I am running my Intel board with 512mb Ram and YMF-724.
I am not shure if I am keeping the GF3-ti200-128mb in this machine or I will be going back to the GF2-GTS card.

EDIT:
Regarding the P2B-DS board. That is an awesomme board. I have the P2B-S, and it is running happily with a P-II-350.
I have it running with a Matrox G400 DualHead, 512mb ram and an AWE64-Value. Nice board.
Just can't help but think, that I might have installed a Vga card, that the CPU can not use to the fullest.
So I might just downgrade it to something like a TNT2-Pro or a TNT (Diamond-V550-PCI) "As if" TNT2 is a downgrade.... Hehe.
Anyway... You might all get my point.

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Posted 2017-03-18 8:24 PM (#340 - in reply to #339)
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My SBC got here today, I shall update with pictures at some point when I can find a PSU to leech power from.
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Posted 2017-03-18 9:11 PM (#341 - in reply to #340)
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DXZeff - 2017-03-18 10:24 PM

My SBC got here today, I shall update with pictures at some point when I can find a PSU to leech power from.



Great. Looking forward to see them. :-)
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Posted 2017-03-18 9:39 PM (#342 - in reply to #341)
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Just made an offer for a dual channel pata vlb controller. I really want an Iwill Side Jr Pro VLB controller,
yet they are nowere to be found and if they pop up, they are extremely expensive.
So a simple one with two pata channels will have to do.

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Posted 2017-03-18 10:05 PM (#343 - in reply to #342)
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I've never had a problem with plain controllers and as I rely on CF cards for the VLB machine I use more, I would see no advantage to using a caching controller or other enhancements. Good luck with your offer, they're getting harder to get hold of now.

Anyway, here are some images.




Obviously I'm going to save a few until later. However, I can tell you one thing - it plays Duke Nukem 3D at 640x480 with the detail on High and manages it quite well by my standards. Evidently, Terminal Velocity handles quite well too, though I expect they'll both drop a little once they have sound turned on.

There is only one issue; the battery is flat and it is soldered to the motherboard, so I will have to repair this because loss of settings in the BIOS causes problems with certain peripherals I have, resulting in a no-boot until I disconnect everything. I guess I will have to give in and buy another 30W iron, there's no way I'm getting away with the 200W gun I've been stuck with since getting here for this one.

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Intersting the FPU is equal to a P90 yet the cpu is only that of, what looks like would be a DX2/80. If NSSI is indeed correct about these scores, looks like a beefed up FPU beyond that of a typical 486.

Did you get the sound module yet?
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I thought that too, though I have to wonder if the FPU core simply scales to these clock speeds better than the ALU, because it wouldn't surprise me if the FPU was derived from the later DX4 or even the 5x86, the latter of which was derived from the 6x86 and was thus likely designed with faster clocks in mind from the start. It is worth noting that the NSSI results are not always consistent with some other results, there are strange variations in places. I shall have to test further when I have it set up properly as I'm currently kludging my way around a 40GB hard drive that caused problems in my K7 - though the Windows 98SE install does boot here and runs faster than I expected.

The audio module is not here yet. In the meantime I have the DOC to play with though, it has a strange Linux image which is in Chinese, displays an error I can't read and has a "China Mobile" backdrop going on. Not sure what it is meant to do as there's nothing to press, perhaps it came from a kiosk or billboard? Either way, I shall image the DOC with Ghost and try loading it into a VM to see if I can make it do anything. Oh, well, what do you expect when you pay $2 for a "new" Disk-on-Chip from Shenzhen.
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Fun you mention the 5x86 too. Somehow I feel the ratio of CPU/FPU to be the same as in a 5x86.
Going to follow these Vortex reports that you both are giving. Just to see if this is something for me too.

The only reason for me to obtain a Side-JR-Pro is because that was the controller I had back in 1995.
Not the Side-JR-Plus, nor the SCSI/IDE edition. It has to be the pro edition. Yeah...
The reason for wanting a cached (with a controller-cpu) instead of the Side, is that I need something that
takes of the CPU load, in order to make the CPU run more freely. Just like a SCSI controller.
Yet these I seek are so rare, and as you mention. They are extremely expensive too. (One can dream though)

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Brostenen: I have a cache vlb ide controller in box with ( i think ) most or all accessories. I need to play with that card. Those disk caching cards are rare and expensive. I ran the super-ide cached controller card I have which is an isa card. It was interseting as it mostly cached the dos boot files, so even on a hard reset the computer booted from the cache and not hard drive, just like booting from a CF card actually. Strange to see a vintage system, with a traditional hard drive, boot with no direct hard drive access. I remember in the late 90's early 2000's there were ramdisk cards which are what I would consider to be the first ssd. Problem was when the power was shut off, you lost your disk. Later versions had a battery on the card to retain the disk in the ram on the card. They used anywhere from 30 pin to sdram I remember. I don't know if those cards are still around or not, but would be fun to get one to play with and make a video about it.

Dxzeff: Have you been able to tell at this point if the sound module is an ISA or PCI interface?

It would have sense for the STPC to have a slightly beefed up FPU given it seems to be somewhat intended for an industrial use.

Behind the scenes shot of the P2B-DS build. Apparently I do not have 2 identical coolers that are of the size I want to use on this.

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Basically speaking, something like this (though it's ISA) does not take off the CPU load, even if it has a CPU onboard?
All it does, is to cache content from the harddrive.

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That particular card I think will off load the work from the cpu, but only if data compression on the hard drive is being used. I think in general those old controllers to some extent off load the work from the cpu, exception would be probably those really cheap and nasty isa cdrom controllers, with software compression being another exception and would be totally cpu dependent in that case. A caching controller probably does assist the cpu load further by reducing cpu cycles needed to transfer the data due to the higher data throughput. I could though see a case where an isa caching controller could saturate the isa bus since the isa bus is 8MB/s ( unless bus overclocking is used ) shared between all devices plugged in. But all of this would come down to testing really to see how it really all pans out.

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@Brostenen; Yeah, that was my initial thought. It is worth keeping in mind that the FSB for this chip is 66MHz, so it is only using a 2x multiplier which I am sure must have some effect. I'm not on a Vortex, that's waybacktech, mine is an STPC Atlas.

I understand what you mean, there are some things which I only own because they are what I had at some stage in the past. This is the only reason I keep my ValuePoint, because otherwise it's a pretty pathetic machine and it can't do very much, but it was the first PC I owned so I can never bring myself to part with it - I know that if I did, I would only end up trying to get another one further down the line.

I've always been weary of ISA IDE outside of ISA-only machines personally, and I would think it depends on how much data you usually pull from the hard drive and in what way as to how much of an advantage you will see.

@WaybackTech; Those RAM Disk cards could be argued as the first SSD, but I have seen some "Solid State Drive" from the 80s before now selling for unobtainable prices, only with very low capacities. Basically a bunch of battery backed RAM chips on a card, odd thing because it was ISA where most of the early examples were for minicomputers. I dread to think what the original owner must have paid for it. M-Systems also made some cards which were just several DOCs on an ISA card. Incidentally the images won't hotlink so search for "M-System Disk On Chip EVB" to find that, it isn't very interesting to look at in reality though as it literally is just a bunch of DOC modules stuck to an ISA card.

PC/104 is basically ISA, it would probably be possible to make an adaptor out of very simple passive components and a prototyping board. The SoC has a PCI Bus but it is not used outside of the onboard peripherals, that would make it a PC/104 Plus board;

They went at least as far as PCI-E

Kind of sucks because it is entirely possible to plug some modules in the wrong way and much confusion ensued with the module I do have as the fools who made it labelled the connector the wrong way. Luckily I suspected this and belled it out with a meter before turning anything on, but it was harder than it would be because both +5V and GND are located in the same position at each end of the connector, meaning I had to find something else to test and that took a while. Conveniently the module I was playing with has a jumper which connects directly to IRQ2 so I used that to figure out where I was. This module is an 8-Bit one, so it will have to go at the end of the stack. If this thing works, I might have to add a couple more modules in the future. The SoC is a 16-Bit PC/104 interface board so there should be quite a few things I would be able to plug into it. Also, it seems my battery is rechargeable, so I might leave it on overnight or something and see if it holds.

I may have to test the FPU specifically versus a 6x86 at 2x66MHz to see how it holds up, because so far as I am aware, the FPU in there was hardly modified across the entire life of the processor and as noted, was much the same as the 5x86 one.


Ha, call me crazy, but it irritates me immensely when the coolers in my dual CPU systems do not match.

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My offer was declined, made another and was declined too.
Then I found this one wich were even cheaper.
The same exact product, only two different sellers.
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Ha, I think that's the same seller I bought the DOC from!
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I have been recording Mirror's Edge for the second channel, here's a random snapshot;

This is the last big outing for the Pentium D, I always felt it had an affinity with this game, in part because my friends told me it would never play it. This will be my first Let's Play in 720p60, or as close to 60fps as the Pentium D can get. However, for the final part, which I am about to record, I have to make one last modification to the system.

It is odd to think that when I was building it, BTX was being pushed as the next big thing... yeah, that sure worked out didn't it? Glad I never went down that path, surprising really as I have a history of choosing whichever option will fail shortly afterwards.

Edit: Oh, god, this thing would break down at the last minute wouldn't it? Not ready to call it a day yet as I think I can get it to work again. I think she's just been stubborn more than anything and we might have to cross the line with a few pieces missing.

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Posted 2017-03-20 4:56 PM (#365 - in reply to #363)
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Looking forward to your Mirror's Edge LP. Looks like a really beautiful game. I might have to snag a copy.

Well the dual P3 is up and running. Contrary to what seems to be a general consensus that revisions prior to 1.06 cannot run 133Mhz bus, I was able to successfully get this board running at 133Mhz bus thanks to an old favorite Softfsb. While the 133Mhz setting ( jumper and softfsb ) for the ICS9150 generator actually operates at 111Mhz ( very odd number ) turns out using the ICS9250 profile in softfsb and choosing the 124/31Mhz option actually results in 133Mhz bus, or more accurately 132.7. Radeon 7500 seems to be taking the increased AGP clock speed well, though I will be trying some other cards in this system to see what will be an "optimal" video card for this system. Unreal Tournament does a very good job at dividing the workload among both processors. After playing Quake 3 for about 30 minutes, it suddenly kicked back to the desktop so I will have to figure out if it was something with the game as I was running the Quake 1 mod pack at the time, or if it could be a symptom of the radeon 7500 not quite being totally stable with the AGP bus speed.

As far as the Maxx is concerned, W98 only card for both GPU's to be enabled. ATI never could figure out how to make the Windows 2000 driver talk to both GPU's. I had forgotten about that.


And finally, some goodies I picked up for $10.





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Posted 2017-03-20 7:20 PM (#366 - in reply to #365)
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Mirror's Edge is worth playing at least once.

The crash-to-desktop could be the video card having problems with the speed, but my 7000 tended to just lock up the machine. Still, that's not a rule, so it is probably worth looking into.

First thing I notice in the picture is the VIVO card, I nearly got one of those when I was initially building the OverDrive but it was overpriced and the S-2000 came up at about the same, so I got that instead. Still, if the whole lot was $10 you probably can't lose. That Slot Athlon alone could probably fetch more than that if it works.

I have good news and bad news regarding the problems I ran into. The bad news is that the recording of Mirror's Edge is on hold indefinitely. The good news is that I stripped the system down to find the problem and I think I have indeed found it;
It would not POST and though the fans spun there was no power LED. I took out the CPU and tested it in another motherboard, the board complains but it does POST so whilst I think the CPU may be unwell, it should start up. At this point I feared the worst and thought my motherboard had finally given in to old age, there is no way I can repair it anymore at this stage. Then I pulled out the RAM and installed it in the test board... The test board will not POST with that RAM installed so there is a good chance that this is the problem.

My only remaining concern is that the motherboard in the Pentium D actually is broken because although I was overclocking, I was not overvolting and the RAM is rated for 800MHz operation. With my overclock it would have been running at around 780MHz at the most (The motherboard only goes up to 666MHz without overclocking the FSB) and even then I wouldn't be surprised if the motherboard's firmware stepped in and started dividing the clock. On the other hand, the system had started crashing on occasion when memory heavy applications were running, as in a full lock up. As luck would have it I am always short on DDR2 anyway and it is currently dirt cheap, as are Pentium D 950 processors, so whilst I said I wouldn't repair the system any more I can't really begrudge £30 as I will use the RAM elsewhere if it doesn't work here and the processor would probably find a home eventually.

It looks like Wednesday / Thursday before the parts get to me, so here's hoping I can get it to run one last time. I don't think I will be overclocking it though. The PLL and VRM are a little unstable and I can't help thinking that perhaps they did something they shouldn't have done when I turned the clock up. It has been higher before and it was fine, but I now think it is simply too worn out to do this reliably.

In the mean time, I will start uploading both Banjo Kazooie and what I have of Mirror's Edge - only the final level is left to record, so I should either have the machine working by then or else have had time to play up to that point on another system to get it finished if I can't get the system to work. Still, if it has indeed died, I would rather it went out doing something useful like this than sat in the closed gathering dust, that would not be a fitting end at all. Unfortunately the RAM I had in the test motherboard really is faulty and whilst it can get the test board off the ground, it is not compatible with the Pentium D motherboard and I can't use the test board because... well... it's shit basically and I wouldn't trust it, it was never stable and that is why it was relegated to testing processors, RAM and hard drives in the first place.

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Posted 2017-03-21 10:39 PM (#367 - in reply to #71)
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Some more hardware for my collection of 486 class stuff. This little one..
Might be a bit too expensive. Can't be that much anyway, and it should be industrial grade.
Anyway... 512mb is enough for a 486.

For tinkering, I am well on my way of piecing together the dx2-66 system.
As of now it is resting on the testbench. Perhaps I can source a case in the next month.
I am having that dual channel controller heading my way.
Then I have that DOM heading my way, as well as a 512mb Transcendal CF card.
So... Today I started testing games out. Lotus-III, Dynablaster, Wolf3D and Doom.
Went back to 1990/93 with this machine. It was really surreal "going back".

The parts list.

- Abit AH4T VLB Motherboard.
- Intel 486dx2-66 Write Back.
- 24mb Ram. (probably downgrade to 8mb)
- S3-805-1mb VLB. (Spea-something??)
- Goldstar VLB Controller. (single channel IDE)
- Creative SB16 CT-2890. (Vibra16 with an OPL chip)
- Floppy.
- 32mb CF Card.
- CD-Rom reader.

I was a tiny bit dissatisfied with the way this machine handles Doom.
When the maps get too big, this machine start "coughing", it is not bad as such.
I just feel that a dx2 should at least be able to run Doom fluidly.
So I might install my Amd 486dx2-80 instead, just to see how it goes.
Or I might just decide that Doom is running ok enough as such and keep the dx2-66.


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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-22 3:15 AM (#368 - in reply to #367)
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Doom is quite heavy for what it is really and I think a DX2/66 was their recommended minimum in the revised system requirements. I'm glad to know you have it all together now for the most part and I hope you do find a case for it.

I was hoping to post some pictures of my new K6 working as it got here yesterday, but thus far it is not detecting any hard drive I plug into it. Unfortunately I'm not sure I can justify sending it back because of damage to the corner of the motherboard which happened whilst in my possession. It wasn't my fault, the board was on a wide flat surface, but the floors in this house have so much movement that as I walked away the floor sank enough to tilt the shelving, causing the board, PSU and hard drive to topple onto my chair. I was hoping the chair was soft enough but the padding is worn out and the corner of the board is ruined. It looks like it is just a ground plane and it is miles away from the chipset or IDE, yet I can't help wonder if this is what broke it.

On the other hand, the seller is using IDE2 in the photos with an unusually small drive, which makes me suspect there was always a problem and they didn't disclose it. IDE2 does not work for me though as both channels simply serve to lock the system up. CD-ROM drives appear to work to some extent. I also had to put holes in my heatsink because this board clutters the CPU socket, a problem most of them have and one of the reasons I liked the Chaintech a lot, so there are capacitors touching the heatsink and obstructing it at either end, one of them actually touches the clip peg on the socket itself. I guess this kind of thing is why I haven't seen any other TMC boards from this late on. The silkscreen for the front panel doesn't even seem to be correct as the pins for the power switch are miles away from their indicated position in the silkscreen, to the point that it rivals the MSI boards which had it printed backwards. Otherwise, it might be a great board as even the Chaintech had some really questionable quirks (It was actually prone to lock-ups) but I have no way to make it work. My last PCI IDE card broke down a long time ago and I need the slots anyway.

It seems my old suspicions about buying shiny things are once again correct. Almost any time I buy something that looks new it ends up not working properly whereas when I buy beaten up, dusty looking old junk it generally does what it is supposed to do.

I shall keep tampering with it for now, perhaps I have just neglected something simple. In fact, I might change the RAM because the stuff that came with it is crap and won't even run at the speed it is rated for. Unfortunately I don't have much good RAM left now and I'm not sure my ECC sticks will work in this board. It does take EDO, so I could always try with that for now and change it later if things start working. It has been reluctant to POST so I have to wonder really, I've never seen dodgy RAM cause this problem before but I suppose it isn't impossible.

Also, it is worth noting that to work on the Pentium D any further I have to remove it from its current position. This sucks because it weighs several tens of Kilos - about 55 KG or 120 lbs last time I calculated it. It is also a problem because it means moving my network hardware and so the forum might disappear for a while until I plug it back in. Should only take a few minutes unless the switch batteries are flat though.

Edit: I think it's safe to say the K6 is broken at this point. Even with detection disabled and everything disconnected it still takes well over a minute to pass POST after the memory test has completed. I got it to boot from other devices but it either locks up of halts with random errors. I can't be bothered anymore and think I will put some time into simply down-grading the crappy Celeron my old neighbours gave me. I got the board to detect one hard drive but it just throws the heads around for a while and the drive spins down, said drive works on every other board I have plugged it into. I'm not in any mood to fuck around sending this thing back to New Zealand so I think I'll claim a refund and keep it anyway for the CPU because, given that image,

I think the seller knew there was something wrong with it and did not disclose it, so fuck them, it's their problem, they shouldn't have sold me a motherboard that didn't work eh? Wankers.
ALL TESTED, CLEANED AND WORKS WELL!!!
My arse.

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Posted 2017-03-22 8:26 AM (#369 - in reply to #368)
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What a bummer, that the SS7 board is not working as it should. Not good at all. :-(
Hope it can somehow be fixed. Could it perhaps be the data cable?
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Posted 2017-03-22 8:42 AM (#370 - in reply to #369)
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I did consider that and tried several cables because I know I have one that doesn't work properly due to wear. I am sure the busted one is marked though and I'm almost certain I had dismantled it for wires to be used in another project ages ago. Even then, the first cable I used was from the 775 test board which, as we know, was working before.

The only progress I have made since that post is that I can get it to detect a drive on Channel 1, but only as Slave and it locks the system up before POST completes. It also seems I cannot use the board with drives over ~8GB, though as it either crashes or throws up error messages when booting anything, from any drive type including floppy and CD, this discovery is of little help to me. I do find this unusual for a board made in 1999/2000, the Chaintech was running a 40GB drive without having any real problems and that drive in itself is unusual because it is a Deathstar which has passed 15 years of use.
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Posted 2017-03-22 3:56 PM (#371 - in reply to #370)
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Have you checked the dram clock jumper+switch and system divider jumpers to make sure they are right for 100mhz bus speed? Are you using an 80 pin ide cable or standard 40? I only ask because I have run into some older boards and hard drives that just piss on 80 pin ide cables.

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Posted 2017-03-22 11:08 PM (#372 - in reply to #371)
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I did try that, in fact I noticed it was set wrong because it was clocking the RAM down to 66MHz despite the modules being rated for 100MHz. The system will not POST if the RAM which came with it is set to run at 100MHz hence my concerns about those modules earlier. I also tried various cables, both ancient 40 channel cables and more recent 80 channel cables, but no such luck. I can also report that network booting causes a lock-up or else causes the boot environment to Kernel Panic with a fatal exception. I have no idea how to interpret the cryptic wall of text that Linux puts on the screen but it is probably safe to guess that it basically means the same as the messages I see if I try to start a Windows environment; That something is broken.

The last test I did was to install a much slower CPU, thinking that the one the board came with might be faulty and having no other board in which to test it. By now the system is painfully slow, running a Pentium and some EDO RAM at the lowest speeds the board has to offer, but nothing improves. Essentially this board is behaving exactly like my Jetway 531CF did right before it died.

As I said, I'm past the point of caring. I am sure I can cripple the Celeron enough to make it fill in this gap I have between P1 and K7 type machines. Otherwise, in the mean time I think my time would be better spent going back to playing around with the STPC Atlas as I still haven't imaged that DoC. I think it is one of those things whereby it will either not work, or else if I walk away from it for a few days and come back with a fresh outlook I may have more luck, at the moment I'm just tired of it and find it hard to thing straight because of how much it irritates me.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-23 12:02 AM (#373 - in reply to #372)
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Boy, I don't know. The behavior you describe is what seems like either bad ram or something seen when overclocking to the breaking point.. Kind of makes me wonder if the L2 cache on the board is any good. Making the assumption that the board was functional before it was shipped, which there is no proof one way or the other, but maybe the spill onto the floor cracked some solder joints. Maybe you can try a bios update, maybe there is something with the bios, i mean, this is a long shot but someone could have modded the bios and fiddled with hidden memory timings... or it's a shit revision and has issues with certain memory types. cpu voltage issue maybe? Maybe power supply? Maybe shoot the cpu socket, ram and slots with some contact cleaner. That's about all I can think of other than the board is just on it's death bed for what ever reason.


edit: My FIC 503+ has jumpers for ram voltage, 3.3 or 5v.. I don't know if your TMC has that or not but that's another idea...


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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-23 12:19 AM (#374 - in reply to #373)
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It is probably worth noting that so far as I remember, the board was not showing any signs of life prior to the drop and wasn't even bringing up POST, though at that point I just assumed something was loose or dirty. It would appear all the timings are exposed in the BIOS but I'll keep this in mind for when I come back to it in a few days, the only problem is that I don't know where my PLCC adapter has gone for my programmer and there is no way on earth I'm attempting to program that chip in the board. I do not have another board using PLCC EEPROMs that are socketed, or at least not ones where it is easily accessible, so hot flashing isn't an option either. I will also try turning caches off (though that isn't going to be much help if that does turn out to be the problem) otherwise, I've exhausted most possible causes by now.
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Posted 2017-03-23 12:26 AM (#375 - in reply to #374)
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Well that's interesting... you don't suppose something or several small somethings conductive might have gotten lodged under the chipset, cpu socket or somewhere else when the guy "cleaned" the board? Maybe you should give it another deep cleaning.
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Posted 2017-03-23 12:49 AM (#376 - in reply to #375)
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Could have done I suppose as there's no way to know how they cleaned it or what they used to do it. I guess it isn't impossible that too much of certain detergents might be slightly conductive if they left a residue behind. To be honest that is one thing which is definitely accurate about the listing, everything does look exceptionally clean aside from the dusty heatsink.

Meanwhile I have figured out my route of attack for getting that DoC drive image.
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Posted 2017-03-23 11:32 AM (#377 - in reply to #376)
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Much as I am sure I should just give up, I have made progress. Firstly, I found my PLCC adapter and discovered the BIOS chip was faulty;

So I stole one from a dead Soltek board. Then I learnt that using AGP video cards causes a crash when changing video modes, which is probably what some of the lock-ups were, attempts to display LOGO.SYS or change the resolution of the console when starting an operating system or its installer.

The patched BIOS negates any need to disable the cache as it does not detect any being present on the motherboard, though it is at least stable enough to run SpeedSys and grants me a score of 11.47... Oh, how wonderful.
I did some more research and it turns out that the first version of the board (Mine is V2.00) only supported 66MHz CPUs officially and maxed out at 75MHz, which may explain why I can't get the RAM up to speed and the rest of the system has problems running at the higher clock speeds in general. It also seems TMC did extensive patching to the BIOS in a very short space of time after the board came out and numerous communities also made their own patches.

Scratch that, the cache comes back if I clock down to a 66MHz FSB. I will experiment with latency and the clock adjustment options in the BIOS to see if it comes back. Still, I guess you were right about that being a problem in a way and updating the BIOS certainly fixed the drive detection - though according to what is out there, it should have detected drives up to 32GB just fine whereas mine was topping out at 8GB... Albeit with that faulty BIOS chip which was likely responsible and would definitely explain the occasional no boot (as in, not even POST) that was happening.

I can't exactly say I'm happy, I mean some K6-2 this is when it has to use EDO RAM, can't use AGP video cards and doesn't have working caches. But it sort-of works I guess, which is more than I could say before. I cannot help but feel no matter what I do, that the board will never be a true 100MHz board and will always have problems running at this speed. It is kind of novel for this I suppose, I haven't seen another MVP3 board that wasn't rated for this speed and I doubt there can be that many of them out there.

One thing I must test at some point, purely out of curiosity, is if it has the same aversion to K5 processors as the Chaintech did. For some reason the Chaintech had compatibility issues with them. I wouldn't want to waste a Super 7 board on a K5, but it was something I discovered (and one of the problems I faced) long ago when I did the Socket 7 Showdown video and I have to wonder if this board is the same.

Edit: Cache working, AGP working, but now consistently reports "Memory Test Fail" when starting and in SpeedSys. Definitely leaning towards faulty chipset at this point.

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Posted 2017-03-23 2:49 PM (#378 - in reply to #71)
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Bad eeprom... didn't see that one!

Does this board have a jumper or switch for sram intel/cyrix burst option?
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Posted 2017-03-23 3:30 PM (#379 - in reply to #378)
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I don't think I've ever actually ran into a board with a bad EEPROM before, so I definitely didn't see that one coming as they don't usually break for no reason, perhaps it had been tampered with.

No such jumper, but it does have a reset jumper. I had to go out to the shop and noticing that the latency settings weren't sticking I acted on a total whim, took the battery out and also left the CMOS reset jumper in the reset position until I came back...

For whatever reason this appears to have fixed most of the remaining problems aside from one lock-up that happened. Honestly, I'm baffled, perhaps the CMOS RAM is not working as it should? It seems to be mostly behaving now anyway, it got through Quake's timedemo (which it wouldn't even start previously) so it might not be a total lost cause, it is even running with the RAM at 100MHz now. I have to sleep very soon so I can't really test it much further, but once I wake up I suppose I will try to install Windows and see if it can hold itself together.

Seriously though, completely baffled, never seen that happen before. It still has a ways to go before I trust it at all though. I mean, I reset it after updating the BIOS already.

Oh, also, the RAM and CPU for my Pentium D got here, so I shall be cleaning the water block and installing those later. Here's hoping the motherboard in there has enough life left in it to finish Mirror's Edge, but if not, the RAM will just be used elsewhere as I have other DDR2 boards that could use the upgrade and I can play the final level with the Xeon.
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Posted 2017-03-23 3:48 PM (#380 - in reply to #379)
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I've read from time to time that CMOS data stored can become corrupted even though the settings in the bios options seem to be holding on save, and a full clear/reset will clear the corruption. Personally I've never experienced this phenomenon. Closest, and perhaps is the same thing, I don't really know, is those dual bios gigabyte motherboards sometimes will suddenly pop up a message about cmos data being corrupt and it begins restoring from backup bios, which I have had happen on either just completely when it feels like it, or after an overclock.

Glad you figured out a combination of things to get this board working again. At least it won't be a waste of money, I was a bit afraid you might have gotten schlonged without lube on that one there.


I'm not sure I recall you uploading a video on your Pentium D.
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Posted 2017-03-23 4:04 PM (#381 - in reply to #380)
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I remember hearing all sorts of horror stories about those Dual BIOS boards when they started showing up. Personally, I always kind of liked ECS's solution - Top Hat Flash - though only because it wasn't attached to the board and therefore caused no problems. Otherwise it was much less elegant, less user friendly and I never had to use it.

Indeed, here's hoping it stays working. I have tested the included RAM modules elsewhere, as I was using some of my own on loan from another machine anyway, it turns out they don't work properly so I'll have to keep mine there for now. I have no immediate need for the system they belong to so I can grab some more later, may even have some spare modules at the bottom of a box I have forgotten about.

No video for the Pentium D, the plan was to do it after Mirror's Edge and possibly after the Athlon. It will still get one even if it doesn't work as I have ample video of what it did to still make something passable anyway, especially given it was behind almost everything on both channels until December last year and didn't officially retire from that role until Duke Nukem II was over. Counting everything, including the work it did off of YouTube, the machine has clocked up well over 100,000 operating hours, rendered thousands of videos and completed unfathomable numbers of smaller jobs as it approaches twelve years of near constant running. I have photos somewhere of when it was new, it looks pretty sorry by comparison at this stage and the years have not been kind to it.
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Posted 2017-03-24 5:04 AM (#382 - in reply to #381)
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Another report: The K6 is still behaving and the last of the problems do indeed seem to have disappeared with the SRAM reset. Still no clue, but whatever, it works so I won't question it too much and instead just hope it stays working.

Pentium D is not playing ball. I am currently researching a few things though as I may have one last (relatively dirty) trick to get it working again... Not sure how long it will last if this works, but it may hold on long enough to complete the game. I may lose the RAID array in the process depending on how badly this affects the board, but if it does I won't lose anything important. Nothing but a few thumbnails and a small cache of music I have backed up elsewhere were really on there outside of what was already moved to the Xeon. I have the board out, I have the iron ready and I will report back later if I get it moving. My test board might have to die in the process, but screw the test board, it was crap anyway.

Don't know if I'm alone in this way of operating; I reach a point whereby something is so broken with no prospect of working, that I don't mind taking drastic and potentially destructive measures in an attempt to make it run again. My reasoning being that as it doesn't work anyway, what is there to lose?
Anyhow, fingers crossed.

Oh, back on the K6, thinking of moving to a Rage 128 now because the image quality on the TNT is pretty bad. Most of the ones I used have been so I guess that was just a thing with them. I seem to remember the Rage being quicker in most of the applications I want to run on it anyway, so the hit in 3D isn't really a problem and I don't suppose anything will stop me changing it at a later time if it becomes one.

Edit: Update...
-Maniacal laughing as I rub my hands together diabolically-
Not completely out of the woods yet though as it is giving me a black screen, but the beep codes sound correct and I get drive activity, implying the system does boot.
Further edit:
I'm going to stop for today and see about maybe getting the K6 into a case.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-24 3:26 PM (#387 - in reply to #71)
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Rage 128 is a very good chip. If you have or can get an ultra version for cheap, highly recommend it for this k6.

I have the same philosophy when it comes to hardware. If it's already broke, no harm in breaking it more to fix it!
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Posted 2017-03-24 10:16 PM (#388 - in reply to #71)
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That is a lot of stuff, you have done with that motherboard. Good work. :-) Rage-128? Hmmm... Yeah. I had one at some point, though I sold it in a complete SS7 machine (P5A 1.03, K6-2-300, 128mb and some 40g HDD). Personally I like TNT1/TNT2, G400 and Voodoo3 better in a K6/K6-II/K6-III system. Though a K6 might actually be underpowered for those GPU's. For a pure K6, I really do not know what is the absolute best to go with. V1+G200 or V1+S3Trio64?

Anyway...
I recieved them antistatic bags that I ordered some time ago. And I have torn down two of my build's. I actually never used them for anything, and I was able to rediscover some cards I had forgotten that I had. I found two AWE64-Value's, and one Matrox G400. So now I have four G400's in my box of cards.
Yeah.... Need to store them ATX cases, so they do not fill up the space in the room.

In the future, I will to rebuild the K6-II-500 (P5A rev 1.04) and the P-II-350 (P2B-S rev 1.02). That however is not before I have bought shelves for the room.

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Well... I've been spending money on ebay again. I have to stop looking up stuff, however, since this is a rare bird to find... and the price was a very reasonable $21 for the mb...well... I really couldn't say no. Of course that meant finding some processors, so I settled on a pair of 2MB 700Mhz with heatsink at $15 for the pair, and found a parhelia PCI-X card for $35, which these are normally anywhere from $68 to well over $400 (lol ya) pair of VR's for $17 also. We shall see. I was looking for the 900Mhz Xeons but those were few and WELL over my comfort zone. Not confident this board will run 133bus chips, and as those are only 256K cache, which doesn't seem like any better than a normal P3 to be honest, well this is the combo I have settled for. I am sure there is a resale value to this if I decide it's really not worth it in terms of speed over a normal P3.

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As for the P2B-DS build, so far the radeon 7500 is turning out to be the card to beat on this system. The Matrox G450 I tested scored nearly 1/3 of the 7500 in 3Dmark2000, and locked up after that run, so I don't think the G400, even overclocked to Max levels will perform close to the 7500. 9200 scored lower also, but was nearly identical in UTbench. I'm having issues with the version of quake 3 I downloaded, since my CD seems to be unreadable now though I think I still have it installed on my Ppro with the bigfoot drive, have to get it off that drive and then benchmark should work. Geforce2GTS also scored a little lower than the 7500, so I might try my GF3 Prophet III card as it seems as typing this, the system just locked up during 3Dmark2001 run LOL. This agp bus thing might be a real problem. 7500 seemed to tollerate it better than anything else so far.

Interesting message just popped up on my screen from adblock - "This site has been known to show targeted messages to adblock plus users. Do you want Adblock plus to hide targeted messages?" LOL cool. First time. Apparently you've gotten this site on the map paul. Good job!

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Posted 2017-03-26 4:19 AM (#391 - in reply to #390)
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@Brostenen; Rage 128 should be good enough, I have found a 32MB 128GL (with TV Out) at the bottom of a box, but don't know if it works yet. I still have my Xpert 2000 if it doesn't which would work fine as a hold-over until I could get something better. My problem with TNT cards is that so many of them have dirty signals, probably because people bought the cheapest crap they could find where the card maker cut back on the components. I had a G400 in a low-end P3 some years ago and it was OK, but I always saw it as more of a 2D multi monitor card than anything else, very good multi monitor support. V3 I think is more of a card for Coppermine type machines in that gap between the K6 and Athlon and the V1 is too slow to outrun Software rendering in my K5, so it wouldn't be a good choice here, V2 might be good if I was doing that. Several of these cards will likely end up in here at some stage however, due to a project which is running extremely late by now.

Overall the Rage always worked for me the best because it is still a fair performer when software rendering is required, even in DOS, the Windows games/applications I want to run are primarily 2D or use DirectDraw, and the all of the 3D games I intend to run are Direct3D. Anyway, I like having MPEG2 decoding to hand, it comes in useful.

Haha, I hope your K6 rebuild goes smoother than mine when you get around to it.

@WaybackTech; Hell yeah, Slot 2. That is almost certainly an Intel motherboard so it should at least work, hopefully, and good job on actually finding the VRMs for it, that's one of the things which puts me off every time I consider putting one together.

I think I said that I still have fond memories of my 7500. I moved to an MX420 once it stopped working and it was never the same, even the 9200 didn't "wow" me in the same way. They were always good cards and the only thing I ever got stable on the K7S5A I was using at the time, a board with a horrific AGP implementation.

This site doesn't display any ads and it certainly shouldn't react to AdBlock. All I can guess is somebody dislikes me enough to file some bogus reports somewhere, or else my old joke script has caused an automated response by AdBlock's lists - the main page used to have a modified "FuckAdBlock" type script which placed a message on the page. Said message congratulated the user for running AdBlock and told them that the page will never show advertisements anyway. The only thing that could be considered an advertisement would be the forum notice at the bottom of the page and whilst I probably could get away with removing it, I think it would be disrespectful to the authors and it is not intrusive anyway.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. My Audio Module is here, but there's a small customs bill for it. The Royal Mail site is acting up so I'll probably just walk to the office and get it myself on Tuesday.

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Posted 2017-03-26 8:57 AM (#392 - in reply to #391)
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Well.... The K6-II-500 system was build, using an Asus P5A Revision 1.04. It had an Asus V3800 (TNT2-Pro 32mb), Creative AWE64-Value and 128mb Kingston running at 100. Though the module is a 133 edition, I used it downclocked for super stability. I never had any issues with this specific setup, other than it might not be as fast as a K6-II-500 system can be. It was just a super stable machine.

If you want super VGA signal quality on a TNT2, then eighter Compaq, Asus or Creative are the way to go. Keep to Pro and Ultra models.

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I can't remember the exact 3D-mark99 score. Though I think it gave me some 3200+ or 3300+ results. I did the testing some 10 to 12 months ago.

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Posted 2017-03-26 9:45 AM (#393 - in reply to #392)
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I found that I have a Rage 128 Pro from a gutted out garbage find machine. I may end up using this instead.

My old K6 was ATI, so I'll probably stick to it in the long term anyway aside from that experiment I want to run some day with different cards.

Edit: Forget it. Mounted the board in a case, now it is back to freezing at drive detection or failing to detect them, no boot with 100MHz modules and basically the rubbish it was puking at me with before.

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Posted 2017-03-26 2:26 PM (#394 - in reply to #71)
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Mostly working, but with reduced speed and overall, not an adequate replacement for my 5AGM2. But I guess it will have to do.

Edit: If you can't open TIF files, don't worry because it's not spectaculr. I merely viewed the forum from the K6 (yeah, it works in 98SE out of the box) and snapped a picture of it. I had no tools to compress it to formats like JPEG to hand, so I went with what I had.

I feel this is going to be a very temperamental board overall and I'm really not confident it running it at these speeds. Much like the early Socket 7 boards that topped out at ~120MHz before becoming unstable, in part because they were basically modified Socket 5 boards, I can't help feel that TMC's updates from the 66MHz version were a little precarious overall. Still, I don't have to rely on this thing, so it should be fun figuring out what I have to do to keep it working I guess. Surprisingly, it seems very stable once Windows is running, that I did not expect given its behaviour everywhere else.

In case you wondered, the Socket 7 board I reference was also a TMC and it was actually a very good board when running a slower CPU.

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Posted 2017-03-26 6:24 PM (#397 - in reply to #394)
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Have you ran any cache or memory testing programs? I'd be curious if it can make it through a pass of memtest86 without going red all over. I wonder too if there could be something wrong with the AGP slot since your problems came back after swapping video cards. 32mb radeon 7000 pci cards are pretty cheap and should be just as good in this system as a rage 128 agp. Just an idea.
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Posted 2017-03-27 2:41 PM (#398 - in reply to #397)
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Ran Memtest86, pass. It shows "Unknown" for L2 Cache however.
The Radeon VE from my Dual P3 (The one which was replaced by the Quadro 2) is a good card, basically the 7000 before the 7000. I doubt if the Rage cards are the problem though as I was having the same issues with the Riva before. I do have some older cards like the Rage II but I'm pretty certain they won't change anything.
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Posted 2017-03-27 5:41 PM (#399 - in reply to #398)
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Do any programs recognize the L2 cache?

Well you might try a pci video card if you haven't yet just to see if the problems are still there. I know the mvp3 chipset has a bit of a reputation for a somewhat dodgy AGP controller. I can't say i've experienced that but the reputation had to come from somewhere, maybe this is one of those boards.... I don't know.. I also kind of still suspect something is wrong with the cache. Maybe it would be worth kissing the joints with the solder iron. I also wonder what would happen if a K62+ or III chip was used.

On a totally off topic note, and I guess qualifies as recently messed with, this was dropped of at the shop here for repair. This is why I don't have much interest in Athlon64 stuff, I still work on it from time to time!

Other than the video card being an FX5500, and what looks like a SBlive or Audigy, and Athlon 64 of some description, I don't know what the complete specs of this computer is, as it is not posting, but pretty typical build I see around these parts. 3 hard drives though... Cheap low-end ECS motherboard ( another example of that post pcchips merger with ECS motherboard ) SIS chipset, and only 2 ddr memory slots. wow.

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I did not spend a lot of money. Only 2 US Dollars (including shipping). Just wanted to get a new one of those blue things, with two holes in them, one for magnetising a screwdriver and one to de-magnetise. Magnetised my screwdriver in 2005, and it has been good untill 2016. Lost magnetisation completely last week and I had misplaced the thingy I bought in 2005.
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Posted 2017-03-28 8:33 AM (#401 - in reply to #400)
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Personally, I've always settled for just sticking blu-tack on the end of the screwdriver when the magnetism wears out. People have a habit of "borrowing" my screwdrivers and only giving them back if they manage to break them though, so they rarely last long enough for this to become a problem.

@WaybackTech; Hehe, it has one of those CNR/AMR slots that nobody ever used. My 939 Athlon 64 was on an ECS board, but not that model. VIA chipset, unreliable board, it was horrible. By contrast, my cheap 754 board (also an ECS, SiS chipset) still works and hasn't ever really gone wrong. The ones with that darker purple mask seem to have shorter lifespans for whatever reason. They made some more costly boards at that time with a gross light purple colored mask and most of them were actually pretty good. I hope to get my hands on another PF5 some day because mine is a real sorry sight by now.

Sure I can see a cathode inverter at the back of that case.

SpeedSys can see the cache, as can NSSI, all 512K of it. I don't really want to do anything that precise with the 200 Watt gun and haven't been able to get my hands on a new iron yet, but it looks OK on visual inspection and I'm still leaning ever closer to TMC just making a bad board, I didn't even know they were still making them this late on anyway. I'm not even sure they made it as they seem to have started selling other boards under their own badge at some stage before disappearing into obscurity, something a few board makers look to have done before falling off the map for good. It really sucks because I liked their old boards, the PCI54ST was epic, the TI6NFK was a great idea and the older AI5-- boards were always solid. As long as I can get it to Windows it seems to be stable, so I'm tempted to try ignoring it for now. There are instances of similar, if not the exact same, problems with this board dotted around the internet which does suggest it isn't a unique case.

It's funny, I've never had a problem with MVP3's AGP implementation but have heard numerous horror stories about the ALi chipset in this regard. It is probably safe to assume none of them were perfect.

Athlon 64's though, ha, I ran one for less than a year before giving up on it and building a new machine. That's how the Pentium D came to be.
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Posted 2017-03-28 4:22 PM (#402 - in reply to #401)
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I have some screw drivers at work here that I slid a neodymium magnet down to the handle. Really works well. I had one of those blue magnetizer/demagnetizer things and I found a speaker worked better. Of course certain screw drivers hold magnetic field better than others too. Magnets out of hard drives are fantastic too. They are so strong they'll suck the Tin Man right through a keyhole

Unfortunate Paul you got a brain damaged motherboard I guess. I know you like quirky stuff and stuff with a personality so this is probably actually right up your alley. I find that very strange the board works perfectly ( or close to it I guess ) in Windows but goes totally Blonde in DOS. Very very strange. It probably is about as good as it gets right now. It sure seems to me every manufacturer that made motherboards Socket 7 and prior made really good quality parts, and then when SS7 era hit, all that started being flushed right down the crapper. Even Pcchips was pretty decent back then.

I noticed in your mirro's edge part 0 you teased the viewing audience with a boot up of the STPC 133 looks like you've been putting a lot of stuff on that box to mess with. How is it working?
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Posted 2017-03-28 4:39 PM (#403 - in reply to #402)
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Someone I know actively collects hard drive magnets, though they don't really use them for anything and just store them, no idea what they're planning. Bit of a tinfoil hat though, so probably nothing all that useful. They only pillage drives that are already dead.

I wasn't really going to use it for DOS much anyway and what stuff it is likely to run is late enough that it was made with Windows in mind. I can only guess that the problems stem from the BIOS and that perhaps Windows takes control of something said BIOS isn't very good at. Quality definitely took a dive, there were so many bad Socket A boards and I'd argue that the peak of poor quality was in the lifetime of the Athlon.

With the STPC, most of the stuff that came up after POST was the SSD firmware starting up, but I had it boot from a borrowed hard drive instead. It was just what I had connected to the splitter and scaler at the time. I now have the audio module so I'll probably test that out later. As it is basically just an ESS card on ISA I'm not expecting anything remarkable, which is exactly what I want. Probably also going to bodge that battery as it doesn't recharge.
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A computer that can't run dos properly is a bit like a computer that can't do math properly If anything it should be the other way around. If it is a bios problem, I wonder if you can find another manufacturers bios that works on this board. Maybe there is just some kind of design flaw in the motherboard itself with the particular revision you have and that's why there are so many bios revisions because TMC was trying to work around the flaw within the bios.

Have you thought about using a ( either new or vintage ) ammo case for the STPC? I always liked that particular mod, don't see people do that anymore.
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Posted 2017-03-29 11:09 AM (#405 - in reply to #404)
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Well, yeah, but it happens. I doubt if they were really making them for DOS by then and probably never tested. Though I'd have still thought they'd notice as most of the tools were still running in DOS at the time.

The STPC has its own issues, it is the second system I have seen that causes an "Insufficient Memory" when running DOS games, no matter how much is actually free. I remember that the way around it was simple, but do not remember what it was, I have a feeling it was a VGA related problem somehow. The sound module seems to work but my battery mod is not keeping the settings, I think the contacts are just loose though so I'll try touching it up with the gun again. I really like the DOC, I may even get a larger one and give this thing a minimal install of Windows 95 as I actually think it would benefit from that overall, in part because of the abundance of PnP which is harder to manage under DOS/3.X, not to mention I can then run Cakewalk 9 which is what I wanted to do with this thing from the start, the K5/P4 combination I cobbled together for Banjo was far too bulky and was a handful to manage, this thing would be much more practical in this role. Not sure where I'd get an ammo case and I still like the idea of housing it in one of those regular metal enclosures. I dunno, I'm just taken with the idea of it looking (almost) like an innocent VGA switcher when the parts inside actually pack quite a punch all things considered.

Might shelve the SPTC again for today and work on the Pentium OverDrive as I have worked down the pile of stuff to do far enough that everything I need for it is now at the top. I have given up on the T230 card I wanted to run in there and will probably just use a Virge or something, maybe a Mach64, not sure but I'll keep the Virge for now as I can always switch it out later if I want to. Very fiddly board, tedious to set up and I wouldn't be surprised if the damn RTC is flat by now. Said RTC is between two slots and soldered to the board, so here's hoping I'm lucky and don't have to do anything to it yet.

Edit: The more I look at QNX, the more I realize that its scope is colossal. The car industry alone uses it heavily for in-car entertainment systems;


I doubt if any of these systems are x86 though, mostly ARM I'd guess, but it is an interesting rabbit hole I went down when playing with the OS and I will definitely look more closely when I get into people's cars. Likely right before I get thrown out of said car for playing with the infotainment system.

On a similar note, I'm contemplating playing around with Minix again. No real use for it as I have literally nothing that runs in the operating system, but I always liked the OS and have found myself missing it recently.

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Posted 2017-03-29 9:26 PM (#406 - in reply to #405)
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I noticed they advertise QNX for medical as well. Looks like they have a pretty good foot hold in a lot of markets.

These SOC micro pc's seem like they would be an interesting alternative to having a full blown vintage pc. I don't think the Vortex86 / ebox that I have is a good replacement for such a system. Early 95 era games and maybe some low power windows 98 games might run ok on it but it's performance is really strange. Best description of the performance is similar to your first P60 build where you said performance comes in lumps. Some of that though could be because of the cfcard even though the card I purchased is a 50MB/s card. I was surprised though how warm the top of the box gets, which is good I guess as I know the thermal transfer from the SIS550 chip is taking place. Probably a good thing I put some new thermal compound on the block of aluminum that transfers heat from the SOC to the case. Dos stuff runs at a nice speed on this box, about that of a P133, but the lack of any kind of dos sound support is really what stops this from being a nice small dos gaming box. I have a feeling your STPC will be more useful than the ebox. The later VortexDX might be better since it is a 1ghz chip for W98 era stuff. I do like how they kept the DX and SX references on those chips, nice little throw back naming scheme.

I think if I ever decide to get an STPC board, I'd maybe consider wiring a small amp inside of what ever enclosure I ended up putting it in and having a nice fat volume knob on the front of it, maybe an nice aluminum knob from one of the late 70's era receivers, like Pioneer as an example, use the tuning knob for example for the volume control. I have an idea one of those small tube ( or valve as people in your part of the world calls them ) headphone amps figure out a way to mount it to the top of the box.
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Posted 2017-03-30 9:34 AM (#407 - in reply to #406)
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Bleh, that P60, man that thing was really horrible, I suspect your Vortex86 is vastly more reliable than that was. Similarly the performance of the STPC DX2 is a little odd, but I think some of that comes down to the onboard VGA. It does seem faster than the 66MHz version's VGA but is still weak in a few places. The heat output is almost negligible and it would probably be happy being cooled passively but I still have a fan around to blow air over the heatsink. With sound, I'm sure there was an attempted generic AC97 driver for DOS, but I do not remember who was working on it or where, nor whether it provided any Sound Blaster compatibility. I suppose the onboard sound may be close enough to a 7018; http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=1140782 (I hate DriverGuide) but even then I don't expect it would work well.

Oh, I fixed the STPC's battery problem, the wire had just broken in my holder somehow and reconnecting it allows settings to be stored correctly. Probably serve me right for stealing the battery holder from some cheap christmas lights I bought in Poundland, can't exactly expect quality from such things.

It's odd you should have that idea, the module I have actually provides headers and jumpers for such purposes. You can actually flip a jumper to bypass the internal volume controls, disable the amplifier and regular jack and then feed the header off to a volume knob and amplifier. On the other hand, the audio quality isn't great, which seems fitting given the intended market for the device. Certainly is passable though and it might well be better using the header as the onboard amp and such looks just a little anemic next to a regular sound card. It's good enough for what I'm doing though so it doesn't really concern me too much, I probably will go with internal speakers if I can though as I have no reason to use external ones for metronomes, message boxes, simple test loops and only need an external jack for feeding the sampler/drum machine. The system is proving reliable up to now anyway and I'm definitely going to look for a larger DOC so I can install Windows 95, thinking of mounting an IDE-CF adapter in the eventual casing and using that as storage. Shame the board isn't the model that came with that onboard really, but the adapters I use - there's actually a supplier in my city - are incredibly easy to mount into things. This also lets me skip out the network if I have to so I can get MIDI, Samples and Patches in and out of the system regardless of if it is running or connected to the Ethernet or not. Plus it would be useful for keeping the installation files to hand if I need them in future.

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Posted 2017-03-30 8:56 PM (#408 - in reply to #407)
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I'll give that driver a try. The 7018 driver for Windows didn't work but perhaps the dos one will be more forgiving and go with it. From the description it sort of looks like they guy hobbled together a driver that worked for his system. There is a 95_98 driver listed on the ftp side for the ebox, and I took a look at the inf file and it says it is for the 7019, mentions things like "legacy audio" in there as well. I thought I tried that driver and it didn't work, and went with the WDM driver instead but, interesting there is 1 file in that driver which is the same as the dos driver on driver guide. Can't hurt trying things again now that I am done with the Dual P3 for the time being. If SB emulation under "dosbox" in 98 works, that is at least something. Pure dos though would be nice.

Looks like there are several 256MB DOC's on ebay. I see one 192MB but he only ships US, only $20 though which is almost half of what people are asking for the 256MB chips. I kind of wonder though if the DOC interface is really just an IDE in disguise, or if there were any cleaver people that found a way to adapt an IDE drive to that DOC interface.
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Posted 2017-03-30 9:51 PM (#409 - in reply to #408)
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It was just a thought as I specifically remember using a generic VIA DOS driver from some AC97 codec to get some functionality on an Envy24 in DOS. It was unreliable, but the two SiS codecs might be similar enough that you can get away with it. Worst case scenario, an error comes up or a crash happens. In the INF look for "ExcludeFromSelect" or something to that effect, a lot of drivers at that time had the Legacy device # commented out so it wouldn't work. Sometimes they were removed for good reasons, notably the ECS K7S5A driver had SiS drivers which made the system very unstable if the legacy driver was enabled.

I'll see what I can get hold of, 95 doesn't need that much space overall if I skip installing things like wallpaper that I don't need and Cakewalk is tiny. The boards I have see the DOC as "SCSI" in the BIOS which fits because it uses a kind of "Option ROM" to get things done. It does not appear to be SCSI at all and the use of the term is merely a left-over, such as how I had to set "SCSI" as my boot device on the Pentium to use the PCI IDE card it was running early on, before moving to real SCSI. The interface itself appears to be proprietary, I think I read somewhere that some companies made adapters to use other flash memory with it, but if that is true I haven't seen any of them. This page has quite a lot of information about things; http://www.digital-circuitry.com/MyLAB_IC_PROG_DISKONCHIP.htm
The Gang Programmer uses a (likely 180MHz) MediaGX processor but, somewhat worryingly, a real hard drive instead of one of M-Systems' flash solutions... err... that doesn't send a good message.

I haven't had a chance to watch your P3 video properly yet. I've had someone around who has no interest in such things and will make noise if I try to watch it, so I shall leave it until tomorrow so I can watch it properly. I've got a bunch of other videos to catch up on from various places anyway. I guess I'll have to fix my P3 now, when I'm done with my OverDrive.
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I notice neither that site, nor the data sheets state the drives write cycles "endurance" tbf. Interesting technology they developed to basically create an SSD drive. I guess making a drive work over the same interface as an eeprom makes sense for multiple device scenarios. Probably though the erase/write cycles are not terribly abundant on these, few thousand / 10's of thousand maybe? I definitely would keep W95 swap file disabled. Also interesting the data sheets mention routers as a device marketed for use in. I wonder what routers used these ( if any ) and if they could be purchased for cheaper than the actual DOC by itself. Certainly would be a perfect solution though for an industrial setting.

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Posted 2017-03-31 6:20 AM (#411 - in reply to #410)
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Finally remembered my password to access the forum on this computer but I've been lurking in the meantime.
Love the dual p3 1Ghz system, would like to know more about that.
Those purple coloured motherboards for the Athlons seem to be crap, I have one similar using an XP 2200+ s462 board currently not posting, was an emachine.

Fired up my p3 1Ghz machine to find it still works good, ps/2 mouse port seems to have died though. Most of these machines are stored in an enclosed transport truck trailer 53' long, exposed to extreme heat and cold, moisture is kept down thanks to some straw bales in there, lol. My first computer to call my own, the IBM Aptiva E03 originally a Cyrix pr166(133Mhz) upgraded to a Cyrix 233Mhz chip still works great, got it in 1997. Need to rebuild the k6-2 450Mhz tower as it's missing the power supply, video card and hdd to give it a test as it hasn't been used in years and you guys have given me the bug to see if it still works after being stored in said conditions.

I always liked the sound blaster live/5.1 cards for what I used them for, they worked, not sure why Paul hates them so much haha.

Fired up my core2duo e6750 machine today, with 2gb ram and a gtx 260 218sp it idles around 150watts and jumped to 220+/- when gaming. Neat to know how much power is being used or saved between different systems. Although I know the video card in that machine is power hungry.

Oh and the p4 2.8Ghz HT , 2gb ram radeon hd 4350 still works great, gave it a test also.

Seems I have better luck with leaving my Intel systems for good amounts of time and still have them fire up and run just as I left them, the AMD systems I have, not so much. Most of my Athlon XP/Duron systems seem to be finickity sometimes, juggling memory, resetting bios, trying different cards..ugh.

I like seeing how well the older stuff can run old games like UT, Q3, Q2, Doom3, Unreal although I guess it really goes with what the system can handle, "newer" stuff gets the cod4, UT3, Crysis, Bioshock, DNF, Mx Vs ATV Reflex testing.

If I was to get my 386 working, I'd likely throw some wolf3d, commander keen, rott and Doom/Heretic on there. Damn I'd love to get that old thing to post again. Should give it some good attention someday. Oh and an old game called Slicks n Slides.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 7:45 PM (#412 - in reply to #411)
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@WaybackTech; Hence the CF card, all writes would be on that so the DOC would only exist to start the system and load the software.

@Robman; Password reset should work if you're ever really stuck, though I still wonder if the ISP will ever get mad at me for leeching their mail servers. I tried running my own but it was pretty much instantly blacklisted under GMX and its subsidiaries for reasons unknown.

That wattage is surely the video card alone, right? Power hungry card the GTX 260, mine used to guzzle the power to the point my Pentium D's older PSU could not stomach it, would make worrying noises and cause the system to reboot. I got around that by placing a µATX PSU in the bottom of the case (switched on by a relay) and feeding it from that. Still, it did use that power and I never had any problems with the card until it died.

Good luck running Doom on a 386. Maybe with the screen shrunk down I guess.

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I've mostly fixed my POD. It wasn't as busted as I had thought and was also easier to fix than I thought - turns out, GAG is on the 3.11 drive and it was the 95 install that was broken, meaning I didn't have to re-install GAG, I only had to swap the drives over whilst I did the re-install. I have gone for a SB16 instead of the PAS because I feel having the PAS16 and a SoundScape in the same machine is seriously asking for trouble. Not sure whether I wand MPEG decoding yet and if I do, whether I want to use another S3, my RealMagic or an ATI. Least keen on ATI as it doesn't appear to be true hardware decoding. Also questioning installing the CinemaPro, it is currently in the K5 and will stay there for now.

Shame I'm not using the VLB slots, but the only device I had in them, that being Ethernet, doesn't work in them and I'd rather keep it running PCI video as I already have my U5S - which I see as being a kind of "little sister' to the OverDrive, being they use boards in the same series - for that kind of thing. Who knows, I might fix the T230 card some day yet, but I'd need a heat gun. That's PCI though, TSeng ET4000 / Viper card.

On a slightly less happy note, I cannot find my linen trousers. Sucks as the weather is warm and I wanted to break out the summer wardrobe. My shirts are still here though, so it's not all bad.

I think I might tackle a smaller job next and replace my 386's CPU fan and its flaky video card. I have that weird "TV Converter" board to install in there eventually. Due to the heavily modified timing circuitry I am curious as to how it handles the obscure CGA modes that don't always work well on VGA cards. Hopefully the floppies for it still work properly.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-31 8:52 PM (#413 - in reply to #412)
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Well so far I have 1 setback on the dual Xeon Slot 2 stuff. I've received everything but the motherboard so far. Of course the seller of the motherboard used the slow boat from china shipping instead of forking out nearly nothing extra for priority mail. The video card sent to me is an AGP version, and not the PCI-X shown in the photos or listed in the description. I took a photo of the card and contacted the seller, and told them of their little screw up, and instead of them replaying back and saying "oh we're sorry we will send the correct one out" or something to that effect, no they just sent me a message requesting that I leave them positive feedback for the purchase. LOL

so here is the listing - http://www.ebay.com/itm/152405794438?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&s...

and here is what they sent. Also this is the 128MB version and not the 256MB. So it looks like I will have to escalate the issue to ebay unfortunately. Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 9:57 PM (#415 - in reply to #413)
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Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?

In my time on this planet I have honestly come to the conclusion that there is no shortage of them. Quite the opposite in fact, they seem quite abundant. Good luck with eBay, they're usually on the buyer's side anyway, or they were the last time I had a dispute. Oddly, that was over a video card, only mine was a DOA GTX card with blatant evidence of tampering and overheating, that was some years ago now.

That card is very similar to the one I use in my video wall. Hopefully I will find space to resurrect that eventually though I'm not sure what I did with the control scripts I wrote for it.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 9:59 PM (#416 - in reply to #413)
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Finally....
Last case in order to complete my project of having a computer for each "generation", roughly speaking.
This case comes with an unidentified motherboard, a K6-something? CPU.
The only thing I might be able to identify from pic's are the Matrox card.

Anyway.
This case will be stripped, the motherboard, cpu and ram will be put up for sale.
Instead. This case will get the VLB-dx2-66 treatment (perhaps 80).
The FIC 486 VIP IO will get my dx4-120 if I will go for the dx2-80.

Seller's pictures... Uhhh.... Can someone identify this board? (Looks low grade and cheap)





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DXZeff
Posted 2017-03-31 10:22 PM (#417 - in reply to #416)
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At a guess? PCChips M575.

Case looks pretty good though, reminds me strongly of an ATX one I have.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-03-31 10:37 PM (#418 - in reply to #417)
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Definitely an M575. Pcchips were decent back then. ALi chipset in the case of this "TX Pro" .Probably a K6-200/233. Looks like a Millennium 1 card in there. I like the case as well. Looks like a computer probably built by one of those fly by night computer sellers that littered computer magazines in the late 90's, using mostly off the shelf components just like a computer store would, usually cutting the cost down by using a cheap and cheerful pcchips motherboard. Slap their little case badge on it and whatever other stickers necessary to comply with laws.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 10:38 PM (#419 - in reply to #413)
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waybacktech - 2017-03-31 10:52 PM

and here is what they sent. Also this is the 128MB version and not the 256MB. So it looks like I will have to escalate the issue to ebay unfortunately. Why are there so many really stupid people in this world?


Yeah... Once I bought an ET4000/W32-ISA card, and I recieved an 8-bit ET3000 card.
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Posted 2017-03-31 10:44 PM (#420 - in reply to #418)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-01 12:22 AM

At a guess? PCChips M575.

Case looks pretty good though, reminds me strongly of an ATX one I have.



waybacktech - 2017-04-01 12:37 AM

Definitely an M575. Pcchips were decent back then. ALi chipset in the case of this "TX Pro" .Probably a K6-200/233. Looks like a Millennium 1 card in there. I like the case as well.


Thanks...
I got that same exact respons on Vogons. Someone mentioned that it is one of the fastest non SS7 board.
That I know nothing about, yeah, I only know that this is something that I have no use for.
If the motherboard is working, I will be putting it up on Amibay.

What might this be worth, if sold seperately? I have no clear knowledge on what to charge.
Not going to ask an arm or/and a leg. Not going to cheat my self out of money eighter.
As I say.... Have to be cheap and fair priced, in order for everyone to be able to buy.


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Posted 2017-03-31 11:11 PM (#421 - in reply to #420)
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If the motherboard is working, I will be putting it up on Amibay.

What might this be worth, if sold seperately?


You'll just have to search on socket 7 motherboards and see what they are going for and if it looks like anyone is buying them at all. It is hard to say what something is worth because that depends on a lot of factors.

Generally though, if I had to lay a guess, here in the US on ebay, I'd say $20-$30 is probably all the board would really fetch.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-03-31 11:27 PM (#422 - in reply to #421)
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waybacktech - 2017-04-01 1:11 AM

You'll just have to search on socket 7 motherboards and see what they are going for and if it looks like anyone is buying them at all. It is hard to say what something is worth because that depends on a lot of factors.

Generally though, if I had to lay a guess, here in the US on ebay, I'd say $20-$30 is probably all the board would really fetch.


Just been on eBay, in order to check prices on S7-Boards. I think it was from somewere around 55 and up to around 100.
That is just insane prices, and I will never ask that much. Just plain stupid insane pricing.

If I did not check prices, and only base it on what I personally would like to give for a board, then the prices
would be somewere between 14 and 22 dollars. (That is without shipping costs)

In Danish Kroners. That is 100 to 150 Dkr. Wich is what I normally charge and sell for on the Danish version of eBay.
20 to 30 Dollars is the same as 150 and 200 Kroners (roughly), and I feel that is just a tad over the top, asking for 30 Dollars.

Would something like 25 US Dollars plus shipping fee's, make it a decent price then?

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-01 12:47 AM (#423 - in reply to #422)
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I think it would sell at that price. People always ask way to much for this stuff now days, so $25 should be an attractive price to most looking to build an S7 system.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-01 3:27 PM (#424 - in reply to #423)
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I'd tend to agree. People in the UK would probably charge at least $50 for that, hence people like me buying from the US more often than they otherwise would. You could be cocky and probably pull in a little more, possibly, at least over here, not sure.

I've done nothing useful today. Boring things like shaving my head and doing laundry, though I did dig up some ancient code and stuff I made for a Duke 3D mod;

This came about over on Duke4.net when somebody began discussing whether the Build-based Bombshell prequel should have working toilets and I remembered having written such code for a mod long ago. Pointless, right? Yeah, well, you're looking at the guy who thought making a lawn mowing simulation mod set in 1950s suburbia was a good idea, so something like this was bound to happen.
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Posted 2017-04-01 8:59 PM (#425 - in reply to #424)
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DXZeff:

Nope... I will not let it go for more than what I think it is worth. I like it better, when I know I made someones day.
Speaking of K6... I am under my lucky star at the moment, this for 43 US Dollars.
Unisys is like my favorite brand of computers. IBM are just so overrated... Just so meh' compared to this.

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Posted 2017-04-01 10:18 PM (#426 - in reply to #425)
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I definitely approve of this purchase. Good price indeed. Nice shape and looks to be mostly a nice original piece. Looks like an external SCSI connector there. Makes me think the hard drive might also be SCSI.
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Posted 2017-04-01 10:53 PM (#427 - in reply to #426)
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waybacktech - 2017-04-02 12:18 AM

I definitely approve of this purchase. Good price indeed. Nice shape and looks to be mostly a nice original piece. Looks like an external SCSI connector there. Makes me think the hard drive might also be SCSI.


It is ready for SCSI upgrade, though originally it came with something like a 170 or so megabyte IDE drive.
It has been upgraded from 8mb ram to 20mb ram. Other than that, it is factory original.
The motherboard has a 486sx25 CPU, yet this is upgraded with a 33mhz CPU in the "overdrive" socket.
Is it possible to install a standard CPU in an overdrive socket? If so, then I will guess at a 486dx33 installed.
If it can use such a CPU, then I might pop in the Dx2-66, and my VLB machine will recieve the Dx2-80.
My FIC 486 VIP IO will then be getting the Dx4-120 and a CL-5446-2mb GFX card. So....
Basically, I will be having four 486 class systems. Not bad, as this is my favorite era of all.

Looking at pictures of the mobo from the Unisys 4253 model, I do not see any barrel battery.
My old 286 Unisys (PW/2 Series 300) has no onboard battery, and is only using an external one.
I am hopefull that this has one of those, and not barrel or Dallas. Other than that I am happy with it.

What will be next? One of those extremely massive Unisys 386 systems? That would be cool.
I find the design of Unisys (286 to 486) in the same league as old big box Amiga's.
Inside them, the build quality are just so overenginered. They are essential IBM's with Amiga design.

EDIT:
Yes... It can run a Dx2-66, has S3-806 onboard gfx and supports 72-pin memory. I like it.
Info on this machine...

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-01 10:56 PM (#428 - in reply to #426)
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I have zero experience with Unisys, but I agree with the IBM sentiment, far too limited and just generally awkward at best. I'll always prefer self-built machines above all else, but this thing looks cool.

Not sure what that card with the two 15-Pin connectors does.
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Posted 2017-04-01 11:16 PM (#429 - in reply to #428)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-02 12:56 AM

I have zero experience with Unisys, but I agree with the IBM sentiment, far too limited and just generally awkward at best. I'll always prefer self-built machines above all else, but this thing looks cool.

Not sure what that card with the two 15-Pin connectors does.


My mother was a tech-designer, working with high voltage stuff.
She used to draw powerstations in autocad, drawing high voltage transformaerstations and have been heavy
into drawing layouts for powerlines between Sweeden-Denmark and possible contributing to lines between
England and Denmark too. If they have been layed out.
In the late 80's and up to the middle of 1990's, they only used Unisys stuff when using AutoCAD.
Yeah... Unisys are true workhorses, build to take some serious punishment.
They feel like the result of a Porche having had sex with Tiger tank from WW2.
I can't describe them more in dept, they just have to be experienced up close, in order to know what they are.
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Posted 2017-04-02 10:21 PM (#430 - in reply to #71)
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Well the dual PIII P2B-DS starting acting up again, but this go around with blue screening under load. Strange how you can run through hours of benchmarking and testing, let a system sit for a couple days, then everything just goes to hell in a handbasket. I spent most of Saturday dicking around with it. I plugged it in to try IOQUAKE3 on this system as it was suggested as a version of Quake 3 to try as it supposedly has better SMP support. Well it doesn't look like IOQUAKE3 will run under Windows 2000, even after upgrading to unofficial SP5 and installing .net 2.0 which appears to be the highest .net that will install on 2000 as I tried later versions and they all complained they were for XP or later. Anyway bluescreening started while trying to install SP5, so it's not because of SP5 that this issue started. I did a run of 3Dmark2000 and it wouldn't get through it, just kick back to the desktop within a few minutes, and playing videos on Youtube resulted in BSOD within minutes, as well as running everest's burn in test on the cpu. I started thinking about the power supply I had in the case, thought it was a 250W unit, turned out it was just a 145W jobber, so I thought, well there's the problem. Put in a 430W Antec Trupower unit, which I know is solid, problem still remained. The BSOD seemed to be getting progressivly worse as time went on as well. So I pulled the board out, and noticed one of the brackets that hold the heatsink on was hitting one of the tall capacitors ASUS placed way to close to the socket and wasn't letting the cpu seat all the way down. So I fixed that little issue as well. I had put a thermal pad between the NB and it's heatsink, but decided this time to just remove it entirely, slap on from real compound and put the HS back on. System ran for awhile, same problems came back. I felt the ICS9150 gen and it felt quite hot, and at one point the system BSOD'd as soon as SoftFSB upped the FSB on boot, so I am like, ok maybe the clock gen is unstable at 133 when it gets hot. So out comes a heatsink to slap on to that. Well after all of this, issue still happened and the user profile decided to corrupt itself. Interesting though after I rebuilt the profile, the random erros I had with SoftFSB loading seems to have gone away, and the system has been making it through several benchmark runs as well as video driver changes without issue. So I have absolutely no idea if ANYTHING I actually did fixed it or if it was something with the profile ( I have no idea what if it was ) or if whatever rag the motherboard was on at the time just fixed itself. At one point the system would only make it through a run of 3DMARK2000 if I overclocked the video card. Now that's strange too. I did bump the PCI latency back down to 64, then upped it to 128 after the system seemed to be back to some sort of stability, so maybe the PCI latency of 255 was the issue? Not sure, I haven't had that problem before with PCI latency if it was, but first time for everything I suppose.

After SP5, now UT will not run in Direct3D. Reinstalled and tried different driver versions, reinstalled DirectX including dropping down to 8.1b, and reinstalled the game. None of that fixed it. The game runs extremely delayed in D3D mode. Mouse movement takes about 30 seconds to respond. I had this issue pop up with the Radeon 7500, but only after installed the Geforce 3, then going back to the Radeon, but this time I was unable to clear it up except to switch to OpenGL mode.

Another thing is, now some of the benchmark scores have actually gone up, and some have gone down. 3Dmark2000 shows nearly a 1000 point increase now, with 2001 dropped by about 200. Quake 2 dropped from 255fps down to 212, but Q3 in SMP is a couple fps faster, while non smp is actually slower than before. Very ODD indeed. Microsoft obviously changed something in 2000 at some point with updates, since SP5 is just a culmination of updates, that seems to strangly favor 3DMark2000 and makes for a wider gap between SMP and non SMP, albeit seems an artificial gap more than anything. These are things you'd never notice really back in the day unless you were really doing heavy benchmarking I guess. I never realized this stuff when 2000 was king on shit hill.


So given the strange behavior of this motherboard, I will probably most likely just resell the board. Dual Xeon PIII is going to be tricky to find a way to hold these massive chips in the board, and I will have to run PCI graphics, which isn't the end of the world mind you. It looks like the Parhelia PCI-X card's are't terribly great performers anyway, and looks to be beaten by a nvidia 6200 pci card, which I have, along with an 8400GS which I already know can pull into the 150's in Quake 3. So not having that card, and the other PCI-X options are either not attractive or way to over priced and still not attractive performers, I am fine with PCI graphics for the Xeon.

Dual PIII is not out of the picture yet though, I also will be trying a pair of Tualatin's on this board that I also picked up which already have socket370 adapters on them. If they don't work on this Abit VP6 board, which there is a good chance it won't actually, I can resell these chips very quicky and easily.

Edit: "Kernel mode trap" after a couple runs of Quake 3. ya, not stable. It's odd, once it cleared itself up last night, it ran for hours without issue, and now the problems are back. Well, maybe the caps on this P2B-DS board are failing. IDK.

Tualatin's - http://www.ebay.com/itm/281238323137?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&s...


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Posted 2017-04-02 11:05 PM (#431 - in reply to #430)
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@Brostenen; Your mother had an awesome job. Yeah, you really don't see over engineered machines so much anymore, some of these old chassis and the parts in them look as though the designer were trying to build something that could survive several nuclear wars before going wrong.

@WaybackTech; No way! It's a VP6! In the early to mid-2000s I knew someone running that board, I swear it was that one despite my friend listing it as a "BP6" in the old spec list he wrote back then when keeping track of our systems. I remember being almost furious that it beat my Duron and worse still, it was owned by his girlfriend. Yeah, I got beat by a girl, with one of those motherboards. Rats.
For the record, the BP6 only ran Celerons, though was novel for the fact it ran two. I know for a fact the girl had Pentiums installed, so either the board was modded or my friend wrote the list wrong. My memory has always been that of the VP6's layout however and there are other known errors on the list.

They seem to become a little awkward at higher speeds, these Slot 1 boards. Mine becomes similarly problematic when run at higher FSB speeds than intended and even then, it still has the odd kick off about microcodes and such now.

Waiting to see how your build goes before I give any thought as to whether I really want a Slot 2 or not.
You may be able to get tie-wraps through the holes at the sides of the slots and use a third to draw them together over the CPU before pulling them tight? Did something similar with a P2 that was missing its holder once but the heatsink had convenient lugs to hang them onto.
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Posted 2017-04-02 11:07 PM (#432 - in reply to #430)
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#Waybacktech:

Yeah... My experience with P2B-DS, are only negative as well. My board booted fine with a single Celeron-266 in CPU slot number two, and it would freeze right before the POST bip. It would not even come to life with a CPU in slot number one. Not even P-II-300 would run at all.
P2B-S on the other hand, has never ever let me down. It is 100% stable and runs really well with a P-II-350.

What a beast that dual 370 board you have there... Looks good, and you even got raid!? The only board I have with raid on it, are the Asus A7V266-E.
A really nice board too, that I can only recommend to everyone that are searching for Win98 equipment between mid and high range 98 boards.
Sadly it is not a dual-cpu board. Would have been so cool.

For me today.... I have found the users guide for the Unisys machine. It took me just under one hour to dig out of "the electric spiders-web".
What a bad boy... Roughly 200 pages, covering the 3 and the 5 expansion slot versions of this machine.
Found out that the 5-slot has VL-Bus and both versions can be upgraded with Dx2-66 CPU's. Damn it... Never read that stuff. Now I want the 5-slot.

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#DXZeff:
Yeah... We are not at all jealous of him, are we? Nono... Not at all. No way we are. Nope. (well... I am jaelous. I want one too) :-D

True those 286/386/486 Unisys machines are capeable of being nuked more than twice. I so hope that you will get one too in the future.
As far as I have understood it. Unisys never used barrel or dallas batteries in their systems. They used those long lasting Tadiran batteries.
What a statement to forward thinking.
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I like the toilet mod btw paul. Every game that has a toilet should be usable IMO :-)

This VP6 comes with a pair of 1000/133/256 PIII's already, which are somewhat harder to find and more expensive even in S370 version, so at the very least it should be on par with the P2B-DS in performance. He did have a 3DMark2000 score on his listing of 5209 ( I think it was ) which is a tad lower than what I am getting out of the P2B-DS ( when it runs that is ) and no mention of what video card he used to run the benchmark so I am hopeful that even if I am unable to make the board run the pair of Tuallies, which posts from years past suggest only 1 will run on this board, not 2, well I will just use the chips that are currently on it now. Dual Tuallies would be fun to play with but not a big deal. I did look for the 1100/100/256 PIII S370 chips, and the 1 currently on ebay they are asking a small fortune for it so that for me is out of the question as a processor to run on the P2B-DS in pairs with appropriate dual cpu slotkets ( which I actually have one but would have needed another ). I really love the P2B-DS if it wasn't for these damn random moments where it just says to hell with the owner. I am GOD as far as the computer goes damn it, and it is sinning against me! God's judgement is upon the P2B-DS unfortunately :-) But who knows, maybe the VP6 will turn out to be a big POS as well... it is a VIA chipset after all... The seller accepted my offer for $45 which is more in my comfort zone, though the guy was asking like $29 shipping, which is why i knocked him down from $60. Probably could have gone a bit lower but I think for the package as shown in photos with I/O shield included, it's still a good deal.

If the damn motherboard for the Slot 2 would ever get here... it will be in my hands by tomorrow night though. I was thinking about strapping those down but the weight of the processors plus the heatsinks screwed to it, I don't think the straps will hold it very well but it's an option. I was thinking about trying to modify some slot 1 brackets enough to hold them. "Bench testing" the board should be fine just shoving the processors in, but once ( or if ) it goes into a case, gravity will be an enemy. These chips are roughly the size of 2 PII's and the processor core is quite a bit larger than a normal PIII, which given these are 2MB versions makes sense. There is a lot going on around the top half of the chip but I haven't removed the heat spreader yet to take a look at it. Interesting though the heat spreader on these is attatched the same, and use the same clips as AMD Athlon slot A cpu's. The plastic back just has a couple clips on each side that snaps it to the HS, just pops right off.

Nuked more than twice.. lol I kind of feel that way actually about my Compaq XL560... built like a brick shit house.

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Posted 2017-04-03 12:50 AM (#440 - in reply to #438)
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It's horrible code, simply horrible. I will never get back the 20 minutes I spent making that work. Said code started in a horror mode I worked on, but only as a joke and it acted as a restore point, it served its purpose and allowed me to test some systems I had implemented. It was ultimately removed from there because it was never meant to stay, more conventional restore points replaced them. The code was re-used about 4 years ago in a mod I never completed, the one that level belongs to, mostly as an homage to the very game it was a mod of, but being a female lead she couldn't just stand there for obvious reasons. It still gave a health boost (as with regular Duke 3D) and it added to the game mechanics because the mod had stealth elements, the flush could alert nearby enemies. There was also a very small chance that upon use an explosion would occur for no reason, just because I felt like being evil. As per the discussion on the Duke forum and out of boredom, it has had one last revision, it is still broken (some audio timings and the player locking are slightly out) but this is the last time I'm touching it, 20 minutes of my time was more than enough.

Almost sad to see my once great Sci-Fi stealth mod turned into this, how bloody constructive. At least it provided me with a few laughs. Still, I agree, which is why everything I've played gets "the Duke Nukem" test where I hammer the use button only to be disappointed.

Good luck with the VP6. The 1100/100 chips are definitely not common now, I doubt if they ever were, and the prices were going up when I snagged mine. May be worth giving CPU-World a shot? Of course it would be advisable to buy from a known reputable trader there and not some newbie who has never sold anything. I was waiting a very long time for mine as the initial pair I found cheap was snapped up by someone else, someone I knew so it wasn't so much a problem because they got used, but it was a long wait. A few popped up from time to time at a high price and then one day a British seller put two unused chips on for a price I was comfortable with. Still, if only Intel didn't insist on fixed multipliers.

I am GOD as far as the computer goes damn it, and it is sinning against me!

That made me laugh. Maybe the computer worships a different god? Perhaps it believes you are a false deity and is yelling something that rhymes with snackbar every time you try to run things. Strangely, my K6 is still working properly and I'm still not 100% sure what was really wrong with it in the first place. Even the POD is still working which is especially strange because it is an incredibly precarious machine at the best of times.

I dunno, those tie wraps are quite hardcore, I'd be more worried about warping the board really now that I think about it. Perhaps you'd have to fashion a backplate for the board such as those placed behind waterblocks, I'd imagine such a thing could be fashioned with hardboard or something if it was required, even if it is a bit of a bodge. Admittedly the mounts for my P3 are missing, they were in the bottom of the P2 case so now the processors can fall out if the system is moved. Luckily the power cable does a good job holding them back.

The 560 XL is very solid, a lot of the Deskpro's were. I still have fond memories of those P2-400 models where I worked, they had to be at least 2mm steel throughout if not more.

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Posted 2017-04-03 1:25 AM (#441 - in reply to #440)
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LOL oh come on Paul, that's some funny shit right there man. Since being a T-girl is like the "in thing" now, seems like the mod might actually make some sense in our world now. Doesn't matter really though, male or female character, still funny as fuck man. LOL I am sorry but the sounds were fucking hillarious and piss puddles... Oh that adds such a fun element to the game. I can just see this mod being used for online death matches... lock the player on the crapper adds a bit of risk when other players are hunting for kills. Take a leak and maybe get killed, or don't and have your bladder explode... that would be hillarious to see.
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Posted 2017-04-03 7:40 PM (#442 - in reply to #71)
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Well... I was on ebay again this morning. I swear I wasn't looking for this, or anything like it. I was actually just looking for processor brackets of some sort to use with the Slot 2 processors. It is very strange what ebay puts in the list of results. Never the less, this was only $25.... and is a very unique motherboard, which is right up my ally in general. Dual S370 on an Intel 815EP chipset. From what I can tell, this Acorp company was the only one to actually produce a motherboard with a "hacked" 815ep chipset to work in dual cpu operation, which upset Intel a bit apparently, which I also like. Looks like it uses a jumper free bios of some sorts as well. Pair of, yet again, 1Ghz P3's, coolers and 512MB of ram. One thing I noticed looking at the layout of this motherboard is that it shares a similar design to the VP6. The VR section in particular is very similar, uses the same brand of capacitors as well. I kind of wonder if Acorp teamed up with Abit to produce this board in some way. White AGP slot too, that's kind of unique.

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It is also a similar trick to that VP6 I mentioned, SMP where SMP ought not to be. I feel bad for the chipset in regards to the airflow from those coolers. Now I think about it, my Dual P3 also came with 512MB originally, only had 500MHz CPUs though.

Well, for $25 you probably can't go wrong.
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Posted 2017-04-04 12:23 AM (#444 - in reply to #443)
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I did nothing computer related today because I wasn't at home, but I did obtain a new shirt or two due to some of mine becoming increasingly thin;


And a couple more which are equally offensive to the eyes, I have no idea why, but I've always had rather a liking for excessively loud shirts. Also ordered some new linen trousers because mine are missing, but those are boring so I won't post them.

The first shirt there makes me think of one thing very quickly, CGA graphics. Another one has an interesting motif on one of the panels;

Which looks oddly similar to an early version of my channel graphics.



On the other hand, I have decided now that the Athlon XP is definitely next for a video so I'll be tidying the script up soon. As my Pentium OverKill is also working now I will be looking into doing that follow-up on the NexGen at some stage after that, but I may put the Pentium D and Xeon between those as they're long overdue for a video now.
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Posted 2017-04-04 4:07 PM (#445 - in reply to #444)
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I kind of like those shirts. Sure can see the CGA theme going on in the first shirt for sure.

Well the Slot 2 motherboard was hand delivered to me last night. Unfortunately I have been unable to get a POST out of it. I suspect the VRM's are at fault, though I can't quite place down why for sure, other than they are just not compatible. Intel's manual states the board can use either 5V or 12V VRM's and does not call out any specific part # or amp rating for the VRM's, simply states either can be used and to use the 12V to provide more power for accessories if necessary. The VRM's I picked up are VXI Slot2 universal which I think auto adjust for either 5V or 12V as they state they are 5V/12V. I think that is where the problem is though as the processors remain stone cold even after several minutes of being powered on. The motherboard is aware though because it does beep an error code when the processors are removed. So anyway, that's where I am at for the moment with that project.

This site specifically lists the VRM compatible for the C440GX+ motherboard. This VRM also covers the same motherboards as the universal VRM I purchased covers, except the universal is not listed for the C440GX+ - http://america.hongfaith.com/cpu_related/Accessories/VRM/073-27042-...

So I ordered a pair of these - http://www.ebay.com/itm/371434286634?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&s...

same seller I bought the other ones from, which look exactly like the universal ones, and I saw these as well before and I was going to purchase this, but when you see another listing as "slot2universal" kind of makes you think there is a better change of them working. Anyway so, if this doesn't bring the board to POST, then I guess either the seller lied when saying the board works great, or I have another problem going on. We shall see in a few days...

While searching for a VRM, I stumbled across a listing for a quad slot 2 xeon motherboard with processors, brackets, and vrm's. Thought you might like to take a look at it Paul. Looks like it has some integrated capture capabilities. Very interesting workstation board - http://www.ebay.com/itm/200884163074?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&s...

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Posted 2017-04-05 11:23 PM (#446 - in reply to #445)
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I've been quiet because I had a headache and then I had more boring things that needed doing. I then come back to discover that some of my Banjo Kazooie videos have Left and Right channels reversed. This makes no sense as they were often recorded back-to-back with no changes to the mixer or wiring. It is of little concern as rendering 480p is small fry for the Xeon (it can render the entire Let's Play in around 2 hours if not less) but it is a bit tedious running around the timeline trying to find where the channels reversed. I'm stumped as to why, possibly I hit a switch somewhere without noticing. I was tempted to leave it and blame people's speakers, but I'll fix it instead.


Good luck with the VRM problem, hopefully your board actually works.
That is a beautiful board, I wouldn't be able to house it in a chassis properly though and as is often the case, no UK shipping. It appears to be from an SGI 540 which would explain the video interface, SGI were always inclined towards Video/Graphics/Modelling after all. I'm probably taking a break from building until I catch up anyway, plus I want to put time into stabilizing the Pentium D as my repairs were barely enough to get it through the end of Mirror's Edge.
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Posted 2017-04-06 7:58 PM (#447 - in reply to #446)
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Recieved them two machines today. The K6 is actually a K6-II running at some 233/322 (not shure) mhz.
I just had a small peak and clearly saw something with 3 and that it was a K6-II.
Then I realised that it was extremely dirty, and took it apart. Tore down the case and gave it a good clean.
Stored the motherboard, with cpu and memory in an antistatic bag for later testing.
Other than that, a standard onboard sound and a matrox mga card. Floppy, 10gb HDD and HP Cd-Burner.

I only opened up that Unisys, and found that indeed there is a Dallas battery on it. Not tested if it still works.
Before that, I need to take it apart and inspect everything. What I did find, was that the harddrive is a SCSI.
Yes sir.... 50-Pin SCSI drive. Wich is really interresting. I can't see how big it is, because it is mounted under
all them drives. Then I took a look at the long card. It is a strange one, and it is made in Denmark.
I have absolutely no idea on what it is. Hardware made in my country!! Hmmmm...
The only thing that I can think of is that it must be some kind of communication card or something like that.
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Posted 2017-04-06 10:28 PM (#448 - in reply to #447)
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Got some pictures of that full size isa card. Absolutely no idea what it is..... Well... I know for shure it's made in Denmark.
Though..... What is it? Netcard? Controller for some kind of equipment? Something else?




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Posted 2017-04-06 10:40 PM (#449 - in reply to #447)
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I'm surprised to see the K6-2 was available as low as 200MHz, I always think it started at 266 - even the user title feature on this board switches to "K6-2" when 266 posts are reached. 322 doesn't seem likely as I've never seen that marking and it would require a very strange multiplier. That sound, I think, is a CMI8738 which is an OK-ish solution in its own right, not something you'd use on a system that has working ISA slots though. Irrelevant as you're putting different innards in the case anyway I guess.

The dreaded Dallas clock. Kinda sucks that the different brands built the insides differently, yeah, the ODIN and Benchmarq models are different and have the battery and crystal in different places to the Dallas one, they're also not interchangeable in some boards, such as how my K5 won't take Benchmarq chips. Horrid things. Woo! SCSI for the win! I have always really loved SCSI, such a bulky interface yet somehow very satisfying to see working in a machine, something about it just says "Yeah, this is serious now, screw you IDE." to me.

Communication would be my guess, at a guess I'd say something passed through it in a daisy-chain or ring-like topology, but what protocol and for what purpose I still don't know. It's still odd to me when I see cards made in the UK, I have a satellite broadcast card which was made here, powerful but the drivers were licensed heavily and cannot be found anywhere, the company is long defunct.
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Posted 2017-04-06 10:47 PM (#450 - in reply to #448)
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That is a thick ethernet 10 base 5 controller. Same card but with a token ring connector - https://www.amazon.co.uk/COLLECTORS-Dataco-Denmark-PC-1115-2938/dp/B...
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Posted 2017-04-06 10:48 PM (#451 - in reply to #449)
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The AMD AM7990 shows up as an Ethernet controller, but this isn't confirmed. The Hitachi chip is a controller of some sort, but what catches my eye is the "DES CRYPTO" under that socket, sounds like serious kit, presumably DES encryption; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Encryption_Standard

Probably not much practical use, but it'd look good on a wall if nothing else.

Edit; WaybackTech beat me to it and would seem to confirm that the AM7990 is an Ethernet controller chip.

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Posted 2017-04-06 11:10 PM (#452 - in reply to #451)
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Token ring, encryption.... Hmmmm.... It has both male and female 15-Pin.
Could this perhaps be an interface card, for a creditcard terminal system or something?
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Posted 2017-04-06 11:24 PM (#453 - in reply to #452)
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I thought Token Ring used 9-Pin connectors? I've never actually used it in real life so don't know. 15-Pin Thick Ethernet I have played with as we still had some where I worked, damn stiff cables, bloody vampires, nuisance.

Unknown, but my first guess was it controlled some equipment. My second guess, seeing the encryption was something like cash registers or card terminals as you have thought. It would make sense for them to communicate over Ethernet I suppose and I'm sure I've seen pin pads using it, so it doesn't seem unlikely that an older card reader would leverage existing technology too.
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Posted 2017-04-06 11:36 PM (#454 - in reply to #453)
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Well you have coax token ring too. Apple called it "thinwire" though I don't know if there's was token bus or not, but i'd bet it probably was. Arcnet is what I am most familiar with in terms of a "token ring" or "token bus" network that used coax.
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Posted 2017-04-06 11:37 PM (#455 - in reply to #453)
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Token. 9-Pin? Hmmm... Well. I must admit that I have absolutely no idea how they looked, and that they were 9-Pin.
I was just asuming it was 15-pin, because of the 15-pin connectors found on regulair isa network cards.
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I have never messed with thick ethernet so I can't say if this is really the case or not, but I would guess this particular card is probably designed in connect multiple computers together. It looks like something designed in the 286 era so.. who knows.. could maybe have been part of a voice mail system too I guess. The coax on the back could be "thick coax" ethernet too, which would probably make sense given this seems to be an ethernet card. I am use to the coax being associated with coax token networks so that is just the term that sticks in by brain even though it might not be totally right in this case...
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Posted 2017-04-07 2:04 AM (#457 - in reply to #71)
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Well many things arrived today in the mail. Both dual S370 boards showed up, although as of writing this I have only unboxed one of them, which turned out to be the VP6 board. Guy shipped the board with heatsinks attatched, and as one would expect, one of the hold down clamps on the heatsinks broke, so now I have 2 basically worthless intel coolers now, though I may try some epoxy on the clips. I will be testing both boards tonight.

As far as the Xeon goes, the VRM's also showed up, and still no post, nor heat radiating from the processors, though the chipset gets warm as does the adaptec controller so, the board is getting power, just not the processors. I dug up some information specific to the 600Mhz and higher P3 Xeons which I think explains why I am getting no power - The Pentium® III XeonTM processor at 700 MHz and 900 MHz system bus definition uses the SC330.1 interface. The SC330.1 interface is an electrical only enhancement to the SC330 (formerly Slot2) interface , running at 100 MHz system bus frequency. The SC330.1 specification adds the required flexibility to , and 900 MHz with the new SC330.1 bus specification. The Pentium® III XeonTM processor at 700 MHz and , either 5 Volts or 12 Volts. The new flexible motherboard specification that incorporates the SC330.1

Per the manual for this C440GX+ motherboard - Pentium III Xeon processor featuring a 100MHz FSB SC330 interface, starting at a 500 MHz core, 512KB cache, in an SECC2 cartridge. This is also referred to as “CPU” or “processor” in this document.

It looks like Chipzilla changed the electrical specifications of the Slot 2 processors starting at 600Mhz ( which is when they introduced SC330.1 apparently ) so I am guessing this is why I am having a no show from the combination. The manual also states that : Pentium III Xeon
processor operate at core speeds starting at 500 MHz and higher as they become available. This leads me to think it should work but it sure doesn't seem to be. Only way I can know for sure I guess is to acquire some 500's .

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Sounds about right. I mean, it's the first I've heard of it, but this is "Chipzilla" after all and they've had a history of doing things like that before, and since when you think about it. When you think about it, the very fact the processors use a different slot is probably little more than a price jacking scheme, considering my P6DGU uses the same chipset and therefore, the Pentium II/III and Xeon can't be that much different with regards to interfacing with the system, and that chipset has no real problem operating Pentium III's at 1100MHz despite probably never being meant to. PowerLeap made a Slot 2 adapter which allowed Socket 370 processors, up to Tualatin, to work in Slot 2 which doesn't look very complicated, making my suspicions much stronger.

Now you see why I was waiting for you to build it first, now I know this is something I need to look for that I would likely otherwise have missed. I am guessing that this problem cannot be fixed by BIOS updates as the term "electrical" makes me think there must be some physical differences in regards to how things are wired and I doubt they used programmable pins for future updates - I'm thinking of the Pentium OverDrive and how Intel didn't give the final specs to board makers, meaning some boards did not work with this promised upgrade in the end.

I don't know if you ever noticed, but with me mentioning user titles before, there's actually a joke at Chipzilla's expense in the list around the 1000 posts marker, poking fun at how things went at the time the Athlon came out. At 999 posts the title changes to Pentium III but it is lost almost instantly when 1000 switches it to Athlon. I should alter it to only one/two days difference, given that the 1GHz Athlon came out only that far before the equivalent P3. That was a legendary slap in the face and though I was only just getting into computers properly, I found it hilarious at the time. Me and a friend still yell "Dave Gardner!" at one another occasionally because of it, especially with the initial disappointment of the P4.


Ha, things like that don't really happen so much anymore. It was only two years after the whole Mozilla stomps IE drama came about.
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Posted 2017-04-07 5:00 AM (#459 - in reply to #458)
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I've always loved that commercial. I remember before that came out it was a very commonly asked question why AMD didn't advertise on TV like Intel did. I always thought that one reason Chipzilla had such a large market share was due to their constant advertising and their little, what would you call it, jingle? with the Intel Inside logo which later changed to Pentium Inside or Pentium 2 etc that was also associated with PC maker's ad's whether it was on TV or print. I did like some of the blue man group commercials though. The one Athlon chip that is very rare and expensive is the Slot A Thunderbird 1Ghz chip. The "K75" Slot A 1Ghz chips are almost equally as rare and expensive, though with it's 1/3 cache divider, it's certainly hindered by the speed of L2 cache. The Slot A processor from that $10 lot of parts I bought is a 750 Thunderbird chip. I wish I still had one of my "goldfinger" overclockers to demonstrate in a video. Those things are just not around anymore apparently I guess. If I could find the parts, I could build one as the original designs are still online, but I have no idea who would sell that little socket now days if anyone does. I had a couple of those things, but the really nice one I had not only changed multipliers but also changed voltage as well and it had it's own vr and 4 pin molex for power. It was interesting that AMD underclocked a lot of those slot A chips, putting a 650Mhz core in their 550 or 600Mhz chips as an example. That was an interesting secret I think has probably been lost.

The upper half the the Xeon chips appear to have a lot of voltage regulation going on. I am not really sure why Intel chose to do that with the Xeon chips, if it created more stable power supply to the L2 cache and the processor core, or if it was just one of those "tricks" chipzilla did to make the Xeon seem like a totally different processor from the standard P3. I'll say though, as rare as it seems to be to find a slot 2 motherboard, other than the Dell or SGI boards that is, it's got to be even rarer still to find the proper board to run these 330.1 slot versions. The 500/550 1MB cache chips are cheap enough, but damn, I'd like to run these nicer chips... at least for the time being that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless I am missing something small, but I am not sure what that could be. I've checked over the jumpers and they are all correct and default for what is shown in the manual.

So far both dual S370 boards seem to be working fine. The VP6 has suffered a sheering-off of one of it's center socket ears to hold the heatsink. It should be ok though using the clip style that has the 3 lug holes to grab ahold of when installed into a case. The VP6 has several more bios options than the ACORP board, as I would expect from ABIT of this time period of motherboards, but the ACORP board is decent enough and clocks up to 160Mhz bus speed. ACORP used a Promise Fasttrak100 controller while ABIT used the highpoint controller. Highpoint is a good controller but I do like Promise controllers a bit better. ACORP board came with 512MB of CL2 PC 133 crucial, just like the P2B-DS, so that's also good to get more CL2 PC133 memory.

I did receive a full refund today for the Matrox card. I was prepared to send the card back but they just sent a refund instead. Funny they waited till the last day of the refund request before I could have ebay step in and settle it.
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Got some better pictures of the hardware that were inside them two machines. They are actually looking like they are in good shape. Though some scuff marks on that Unisys machine. Is to expected from 24 year old hardware.

Both machines smelled of cooking oil and perfume, so I guess prevous owner lived in a small apartment without ventilation in the kitchen.
The K6-II-350 (yes it was a 350) was dirty, so I gave it a good clean. Especially the case and cables.
The Unisys has indeed an dx33 upgrade, 12mb Ram, 8xCD-Rom and an unknown size 50-Pin SCSI-II harddrive.
I will not have time for testing it all out, untill friday next week, or something like that. Though testing I will be doing that day...



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Posted 2017-04-07 4:15 PM (#461 - in reply to #460)
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I sort of doubt the K6 system was originally built with the K6-2-350 chip. I'd bet it was originally a K6-233 chip that the guy upgraded to the K6-2 chip without understanding those chips are 100Mhz bus and on this particular board being limited to 3.5x multiplier wouldn't have any performance boost over the regular K6-233 without overclocking the bus to 75/83. The Millennium 1 card would be a good card to pair with a Voodoo.

The scuff on the corner of the Unisys 486 will probably come off with some "goo gone" or even some WD40. I am not sure if you will see a big difference on this system by upgrading to a DX2/66 chip, the Packard Bell 486 I had was a very similarly built system, minus the scsi of course, and it was a real dog even with a DX2/66, ET4000 and adding cache to the motherboard. It didn't perform any better after all of that than it did with a DX-33 and the onboard video. However I would still give it a try and see.



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Posted 2017-04-07 7:42 PM (#462 - in reply to #461)
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Yeah, I've gotten scuffs like that out with nothing more than good old elbow grease before now. Enough rubbing with a damp soapy sponge and it will probably clean up.

I have located some of my worst hardware today and am considering using some of it;
MSI Slot 1 Celeron board with Intel i810 chipset, internal graphics and onboard ES1370. My Trident Blade T64. Two Aztech sound cards, one PCI and another ISA with a radio card attached. The Celeron board I wanted, because I always planned to get it running and build the "Solitaire Machine" as a testament to how machines should never be built. Will probably post pictures at a later time.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-07 8:25 PM (#463 - in reply to #461)
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waybacktech - 2017-04-07 6:15 PM

I sort of doubt the K6 system was originally built with the K6-2-350 chip. I'd bet it was originally a K6-233 chip that the guy upgraded to the K6-2 chip without understanding those chips are 100Mhz bus and on this particular board being limited to 3.5x multiplier wouldn't have any performance boost over the regular K6-233 without overclocking the bus to 75/83. The Millennium 1 card would be a good card to pair with a Voodoo.

The scuff on the corner of the Unisys 486 will probably come off with some "goo gone" or even some WD40. I am not sure if you will see a big difference on this system by upgrading to a DX2/66 chip, the Packard Bell 486 I had was a very similarly built system, minus the scsi of course, and it was a real dog even with a DX2/66, ET4000 and adding cache to the motherboard. It didn't perform any better after all of that than it did with a DX-33 and the onboard video. However I would still give it a try and see.



Yeah.... 86(something) and 3.0 multiplier is max. I found the manual for it.
Regarding the Unisys. I think I will make it a dx2-66 and keep the S3-805 wich are onboard.
Hope that it is somehow connected onboard through some kind of VLB internal design.
I know the 5-slot model has VLB slots, so it could possible be that this has it internally and no slots.
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Posted 2017-04-07 8:35 PM (#464 - in reply to #462)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-07 9:42 PM

Yeah, I've gotten scuffs like that out with nothing more than good old elbow grease before now. Enough rubbing with a damp soapy sponge and it will probably clean up.

I have located some of my worst hardware today and am considering using some of it;
MSI Slot 1 Celeron board with Intel i810 chipset, internal graphics and onboard ES1370. My Trident Blade T64. Two Aztech sound cards, one PCI and another ISA with a radio card attached. The Celeron board I wanted, because I always planned to get it running and build the "Solitaire Machine" as a testament to how machines should never be built. Will probably post pictures at a later time.


810 you say.... Hmmm. I have a Compaq that are based on this chipset, running with an TNT2-M64 PCI card, as this does not have AGP slot. The 815 chipset is another story. I have this Intel d815eea2 motherboard, wich are so awesomme. Stable and running a Socket370 933mhz CPU. 512mb Ram, YMF-724 and GF2-GTS-64mb. Sometimes I run it with a GF3-ti200-128mb. I think the 810 chipset are best as a productivity platform, and not a gaming platform.

Other than that... Really looking forward to see pictures of all these P3 builds that you all are going to build.
Nothing like a good load of hardware pr0n.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-07 10:51 PM (#465 - in reply to #71)
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K6 and Intel MMX processors equate the 1.5x multiplier set by the motherboard jumpers as 3.5 Many motherboards will actually call out the jumper setting as 1.5/3.5
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Posted 2017-04-07 11:20 PM (#466 - in reply to #465)
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That and the K6-2+ mapped 2.0x to 6.0x for whatever reason. Sure there was at least one other remap with at least one more CPU, but I do not remember what it was now.

Pentium 3!? No, no, that's not the solitaire machine way, I want a Celeron 266. The 815 is a good chipset in its own right and I have two of those D815 boards that I use for testing, but the original 810 was legendary for having problems as well as the entire Celeron platform being a blatant rip-off early on. Anyway, here's the horrible board;


Complete with silkscreen oddity.


A shit Aztech "Sound Card" and "Radio" card I'd only use as a last resort, and even then I'd be hesitant. I have the missing backplate for the radio device.


Another Aztech "Sound Card" thing.


One CNR modem. Don't think I have any boards in use with CNR at present.


A strange little Super 7 board with MVP4 chipset, but no AGP and it is precarious at best. Always considered turning it into a Cyrix machine, like a kind of 1999/2000 super-budget machine.


Finally some good hardware, hoping to put this back in use soon.


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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-08 1:34 AM (#467 - in reply to #466)
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I have been considering a Celeron 266 myself, if for no other reason than it is a novelty, and I would like to compare it to a PII-266 with L2 disabled to see if the performance ends up being identical ( which I feel like it should be ) or not. I decided instead a couple days ago to buy a 300A slot 1 processor, as it holds sort of a legend status, and it was freaking dirt cheap. I have some 333a's in slot 1, and others in 370 but never owned the legend before. I am not sure what Phil ( i know you don't like him, one day you'll have to tell me why you guys have beef between ya ) payed for his Celeron 300 but those seem to be rare and more pricey than the 266 or even the 300a which I found interesting.

That motherboard looks like the caps are starting to go all nipply on the tops there, unless it is just lighting and camera angle making them look like that You realize that Aztec card with the radio tuner is ISA right? cause that motherboard aint got no isa slots Unless I am missing something?

the "Azfin" card looks like a Turtle Beach Vortex 2 knock-off card

MVP4... never had the pleasure...

I think Tillamook remapped the multiplier too. Not 100% sure at this time on that though, I'd have to dig it out and try it, but I think it remaps 2x multiplier to 4x to achieve 266Mhz.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-08 2:15 AM (#468 - in reply to #467)
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Yeah, the old overclock a Celeron 300 trick, I understand this was once quite popular and some could attain 450MHz whilst outrunning most Pentium 2 systems. I'm trying to make something horrible on purpose which is why I want a Covington 266 processor, they weren't expensive last I looked and I doubt there is really any demand for them. I did have a Celeron 300 but it spontaneously broke years ago, no overheat, no board problem, no nothing, it just froze up and didn't work again. Probably karma for taking it from work I guess (In my defense, I had upgraded the system it came from to a P2-400) or it was just defect. The Tiny branded machine it came from was always unstable, but I always put that down to the horrible MSI boards they used... Possibly that same model I have but it was too long ago to remember.

Capacitors are leaky and prevent the board from running properly, it was like that when I got it a few years ago. I smelled it before I saw it, the distinctive aroma of electrolytic fluid and it was probably why it was at the bottom of a box doing nothing. I do not plan on using the Aztech card in here, or at all for that matter if I can help it. I intend to use the onboard audio for maximum crappiness. I was wrong earlier because this one has Intel audio, it is the Socket 370 version I have that features the ES1370, a solution I rate even lower than the Aztech though perhaps a little higher than the awful Intel implementation, but that's a tricky one to make my mind up on. The Azfin card is quite primitive, it offers basic functionality which was typical for the time as well as a rather unreliable Sound Blaster compatibility mode.

When I was using the MVP4 board I never noticed any real difference over the MVP3 really, it just doesn't have AGP, offering an internal Blade3D instead. I wouldn't be surprised if it was essentially a scaled down MVP3 targeted at cheaper systems or OEMs.

May as well add that my Pentium OverKill is properly ironed out now, complete with MPEG decoding and a working boot manager which no longer prevents CD-ROM drives working in Windows 95. Now it's just driver problems in Windows 3.11 where I've changed sound and video cards, and I know the OS well enough that I can probably do most of that directly from SYSTEM.INI quite quickly tomorrow aside from what I need to fix in the DOS environment. Need to think whether I want another gimmick other than the SoundScape or not, maybe the WinTV CinemaPro, but I will probably leave that in the K5 despite the POD being a kind of alternate reality version of my P66 (Which has the WinTV Celebrity) due to them both (P66 & POD) being meant as the replacement for my original Socket 4 machine. To be honest, I think it's awkward enough already and a VIP board with MPEG card, S-2000 and dual-boot manager is probably far enough. I have also learned that the CT1470's speaker amplifier imposes a slight delay on the signal, if you tap both outputs at the same time, one from the jumper and one from the rear socket, they play sounds out of time with each other. It makes me think they're converting the signal back to digital to amplify it which could explain the excessive noise levels some people have noted when using this card.

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Posted 2017-04-08 5:50 AM (#469 - in reply to #71)
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how the hell do I attach an image and display it?

Apparently I figured it out. Odd way of doing things.
This forum needs something to fix having to slide side to side to read posts when a larger image has been posted on the page as I'm using my laptop.
Oh and Celerons suck :D

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-08 1:42 PM (#470 - in reply to #469)
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A lot of forums act that way. I can't do much about the resizing issue without seriously altering the forum code and that would break other things down the line, I'd rather just encourage people to post sensible sized images instead. I'll look into it at some point but I am not confident that anything can be done about it.

The term High Treason has a long history, but in my case it was chosen because it was the last crime to carry a death penalty in the UK, unfortunately... still, without the EU there's less reason to hang onto the ECHR so we might bring it back yet, have to see what the coming years hold.
Well, anyway, yeah, that and nobody could pronounce DXZeff.

Had to refrain from going on a long rant about the justice system for a moment there. Despite the band having some negative connotations in certain circles, I'll just let Combat 84 explain it for me;
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Posted 2017-04-09 10:12 AM (#471 - in reply to #470)
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Well.... Death penalty or not. The answer is not that straight forward when you ask every person on the planet.
Personally I do not believe in the death penalty, as I think it belongs in the middle ages.
So yeah.. Uhmm... We are all different on that question.

My personal view on that, is that it is the only penalty every human can pay, thus making it the most easy to pay.
In that perspective, this is the easiest one to pay. So no real penalty in that.

Nono... The real penalty, that will sting, is an isolation penalty. Much like the one Elisabeth Bathory paid.
That one will sting the most. And again... I think that isolation is torture in it self.
Yet... It is one that really going to hurt the most of all. That is a real penalty and not that death penalty.

To me, death penalty is more about society and the punisher, feeling better about them self than what the
punishment means to the one that did the chrime. It smells more of revenge than punishment, compared
to isolation, that are more about punishing someone than making you feel better about getting rid of someone.
If you want to punish hard, you better damn be shure that it is a real punishment. After all... What's the point?

In most cases. It is better to make shure, that a person get's punished and then build up again, in order
to not do the chrime again. Not safe if the one we thrust in keeping us safe, will put a dangereous person out
between us again. The person might do it again, and then we will have to use money again, on a court and
on prison time again... And thus the circle of wasted resources/money continues.

If the person can not be deemed safe and are not safe, then it is better to have that person locked up
for a real punishment for the rest of the life. Yeah.... Have to stop. As I feel I am getting into some real
flaming here... And I could go on and on, baffeling about this. Sorry for making it so long.

In a fun and amusing way... One could call the death penalty a pussy penalty compared to real isolation.
(just a joke, hope you understand my humour)

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-09 4:48 PM (#472 - in reply to #471)
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Seems well reasoned to me, the only issue I take with such ideas are the cost to the tax payer, although I'm sure it could be done cheaply without the current hotel-like way the jails are run.

Back on topic...
...Actually I got nothing. I was going to post some POD stuff but it just broke again. Rarely have I had a machine this stubborn, it has been over two years since I started building it and it's still not running.
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Posted 2017-04-10 4:08 PM (#473 - in reply to #472)
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Well the benchmarks have been ran on the Acorp 6A815EPD motherboard. Quite a good board. Limited bios though, no voltage adjustments, just clock. Doesn't seem to understand PC133 CL2 memory is installed and I had to force the option as well as 133Mhz memory speed, so it gives a nice warning about "cl3 recommended" Overall, performance is on par with the P2B-DS, but slightly under. Feels like a solid board though, considering it was a low cost dual cpu motherboard back in 2001/2002. I had absolutely no issues at all with it. I think, from benchmarks I have come across, the VP6 is going to outperform both boards, at least in Quake 3 by a healthy amount.

Finally got that Athlon64 system customer dropped off finished. Ya he actually wanted to fix it lol shocked me. Never the less, 1 replacement motherboard ( not new obviously ) later, still no post, dead cold processor still. Well as it turned out, dead processor. This will mark the first time I have experienced a dead processor that remained cold. In the past they still heated up, intel or amd. I don't know if the old board is still any good or if it took out the processor when whatever happened, happened to the system. Had an Athlon 3200 S754 chip, now has the 3300 I used in a faceoff awhile ago. XP64 bit and a screwed up installation of Mint are the operating systems installed. Those CCL bulbs sure are bright.



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Posted 2017-04-10 4:28 PM (#474 - in reply to #473)
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My bulbs are very old and thus, dishearteningly dim by comparison. I'm not too surprised by them wanting it fixed, I still know someone who refuses to part with their S754 Athlon 64 machine and they use it on a daily basis.

Turns out my old S3 Scenic is broken. I had initially suspected the P66 was throwing a fit since the TV card was installed and perhaps something had even broken, but no - still, this is almost good news as I'd rather have problems with a peripheral than the motherboard and I have another MVP1100 to take its place. The old one did have some problems in that it ran much hotter than the second one and the internal audio didn't always work properly, so I don't think it was anything I did, more that "untested" hardware I bought was likely on its last legs when I got it. I'm tired of the POD for the time being anyway, considering doing away with my dual boot as it causes nothing but trouble and is incredibly precarious, but I'm leaving it alone for a while. Perhaps it is time I finished work on that 486SX I cleaned up a while ago, I have the batteries for the Turbo display and a spare CF card that I can use for it.

Meanwhile I have to wonder if the POD should run 3.11 or 95. Due to the difficult nature of it, I'm leaning more towards 95 because it is easier to fix and seems more resilient to the machines tantrum throwing. Whilst it is essentially the 486 counterpart of my P66 and should probably run 3.11 as a result, it seems to work better under 95 and also seems to have undisclosed PNP support. Performance is generally high enough and whilst my original target was "1994 system" territory I don't think installing 95 is a bad thing, I had to break that rule elsewhere so it barely matters by this point, besides, upgrades were always a thing. On the down-side, I now have to figure out that damn SoundScape clone working again, pain in the ass and requires custom ROMs which aren't out in the open on the install disks, but the install disks don't support 95 meaning I have to modify a generic driver. Honestly, I know the SoundScape is sought after, but it's a truly horrible card most of the time.
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Posted 2017-04-10 5:52 PM (#475 - in reply to #474)
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The scenic card took a dump already huh? that kind of sucks since it is a unique add-on, but yes I would agree, far better that than the motherboard given how rare those sis socket 4 motherboards are. I was bidding on one a couple weeks ago but I couldn't get my bid in fast enough at the last few seconds, so I didn't win it. It was a different brand than yours.

I was wondering if you had done any more work on the 486sx box. I personally don't think that video should be hidden. The amount of people that ask me questions about washing motherboards and other components tells me that, even through I have shown that in past videos myself, is still a worthwhile video to demonstrate the "procedure" . I would even say you should start a thread on this forum just for listing your unpublished Youtube videos.

One compromise you might consider is, running program manager instead of explorer if you go with 95 on the POD. Then you would at least retain the look and feel of 3.11.
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Since we were talking about flashdisks awhile ago, I thought Paul you might be interested in seeing this. There are a few of these on ebay actually, but this is the cheapest. I'm not sure how useful it would be but interesting to see one of these non the less.

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Brostenen
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Have seen them too. Though I think it is cheaper to get one of them XT IDE adaptor/cards instead.
I am wondering about the speed of them.
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@WaybackTech; Not sure, the new one doesn't run in the P66 either which is making me think something else is wrong. The POD is a bad metric to test by really because the PCI implementation is weird anyway and it already won't work with PCI Ethernet cards. Doesn't answer why the P66 suddenly doesn't want anything to do with it. I'll image the hard drive and then restore an older image from before when it broke to see if I can figure it out, the main suspects are the fact I had to change the PCI slot for the video card, the BIOS settings needed tampering with extensively for the TV card and, of course, the TV card was installed, likely altering things considerably. Sucks that the TV card only fits in the top ISA slot and there are no other ISA slots left spare.

That video might be public as my second upload the next time I publish a regular one.

POD runs 95 only now and I went with Explorer. Figured that as they're in the same performance band it might actually work out better to have them on different operating systems. Turns out my latest boot problem stemmed from forgetting to put the drive timing jumpers back - the motherboard is rather complicated - or at least, I think that's what it was but wouldn't put it past the thing to give me a no boot again the next time I go near it.

I'm happy enough with the M-Systems stuff for the time being and have other things I have more of an immediate use for, plus my bank balance is already ruined for the time being.

@Brostenen; For loading DOS the speed is probably fairly good due to how small the files required to boot are. One advantage over the XT-IDE card is the floppy emulation as it would theoretically work in more stubborn machines, such as my 286, which have a dislike of booting from IDE devices.

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Starting to wonder if I'm cursed or something. As soon as I fix one thing another breaks. I finally found a working I/O card for the P66 as the one I had in there was unhappy. The previous replacement died due to tantalum failure, the one before that didn't read floppies, the newest one has a non-functioning serial port. Seems everything I go near is going wrong at the moment though, fingers crossed, no hardware failures as yet unless you count things that probably didn't work already - I never tested the serial port on this card - so things could be worse. Now starting to wonder if I really do want to mess with the 486SX or just leave it until things stop spontaneously going wrong.
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Posted 2017-04-11 3:39 AM (#479 - in reply to #478)
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It definitely appears my MPEG problems are related to configuration problems rather than physical ones, though I can't vouch for the old MVP1100 and Video 2001 cards. It is possible though that the original does still work and simply runs hotter than the new one, the dates printed are quite a bit older and for all anyone knows, S3 might have made the chip more efficient later on without telling anyone. Putting the 486SX on hold to use the drive for a clean Windows install on a test rig, that will let me try out the cards and walk through the configuration of everything one stage at a time to find what is actually wrong. I do suspect the TV card is to blame somewhere, either directly or indirectly through configuration requirements, Hauppague did even state there were problems with frame buffers when running on a system with S3 based Diamond cards due to hidden resource conflicts, I thought I had worked around this but perhaps not. The BIOS for the P66 is a little fiddly, all those obscure options actually alter the way things in the machine behave quite drastically sometimes and it can involve good old fashioned "poking buttons in the dark" to make things do what they are supposed to do.

Anyway, here's the music from Hover! recorded with the S-2000; http://www.mediafire.com/file/46i5o2v6yt90ufd/ES2K.ogg
It isn't too bad and I think I could even use some of the sounds, but like every Ensoniq card I've heard, primarily thinking of the SBPCI here, the drums are far too sharp, everything has weird volume levels and some patches are at unusual octaves. Also, if I were to use any of the sounds, I would sample them with my S2000... err... that's confusing, the S2000 is an Akai sampler, the S-2000 is the Ensoniq card... but yeah, I'd do that because like most of these old Wavetable cards it appears to rely heavily on the CPU and drags the system down whilst causing lag in the music. Why Gravis where the only ones to get this right I'll never know, though it does make me question how much Ensoniq bothered to actually use the 68K processor on their card. Out of all the cards I've used that do similar things it doesn't hold up too badly though, just as long as you don't want it for SoundBlaster stuff. I have an SB16 for that.

One problem with doing this in the UK is the lack of components within the UK itself, it is not uncommon to run into things like this;

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-11 5:02 PM (#480 - in reply to #479)
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I was sort of thinking maybe a resource conflict between the Scenic and your TV card, though I don't know anything about those Scenic cards to have been sure of even suggesting such a possibility if such even exists.

I do think this "free trade" shit is garbage. This is why ( i think ) people in the US ( including myself ) don't typically bother listing stuff as worldwide shipping because of all of the extra taxes and fee's various countries impose on imports, makes it just not worth it for those people to import usually. I certainly do not think it is fair that we in the US can buy stuff and not pay any extra fee's other than shipping, which is usually not any more from say, Russia than it is from California to NY and everything sent out of here gets taxes imposed. Free trade should be free both ways IMO, the way it is set up now screws everyone buying and selling across ponds, not just "big business" unless it is into the US of course, maybe CA as well, don't really know about their imports. I sure hope my man gets that free trade crap fixed at some point in the next 4 years.


Every time you write S-2000 I think of the Honda S-2000 Sounds pretty good to me. I'd like to find Media Vision's Pro Wave card for my MV SRS-3D. The one bundle on ebay right now is... omg.. buy 2 GUS for the price of that card basically.

What do you think about Ensoniq's keyboards?

Ohh, forgot to mention, the Celeron 300 showed up yesterday. Turns out it is NOT an A as the seller said, but the original. If I had looked up the code on cpu world, I would have known that, but I didn't bother. Anyway I am actually glad since those seem to be a bit rare. I would be more thrilled had I not already went and bought the 266, because I noticed since Phil did his video, they went flying off ebay fast and I was like, well shit, if I want one I better get it now. So as luck would have it, someone posted a s370 Celeron 300A last night for $10 free shipping, so I snagged it up before someone else found it, since the only other one currently on ebay was like $45 and certainly not worth it to me at that price, but $10, hell ya. Those Celeron 300A's in S370 package must be a rare bird. I think the S370 version is better anyway, can run on both platforms, and gives way better cooling options.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-11 10:53 PM (#481 - in reply to #480)
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Test rig cannot read CF cards formatted in my card reader, the card reader cannot read cards formatted in the test rig. So I can't set up my test system as I don't have working WFW install floppies any more. Used another system to test instead, but Diamond's incompetent installer ignores "Type B" and installs the GT driver files along with the hardware MPEG ones, so the PnP OS automatically picks the GT driver (no hardware MPEG) and sets up some values for this that are buried all over the place, installing the B driver manually does not correct them. Now I have to reinstall Windows on that machine because I can't be bothered to dig through the registry. Luckily it was a clean install of 95B so I lost nothing. This might be a good thing in a way, because it could indicate another potential culprit - changing something in Diamond's tools may have overwritten something that enables the MVP1100. 95B falls back to software encoding (as I did have it somewhat working before needing to re-install the driver) which 3.11 doesn't have out of the box, thus being more likely to just crash as it was in the P66. Also discovered that the IDE doesn't work properly on that new I/O card, what the hell is it with the Pentium and every I/O card I obtain for it not working? I may just borrow one from another machine until I can be bothered to do something about it. Thinking of dismantling the machine and putting everything, hardware and software, back together piece by piece. It has had a lot of configuration changes since it was first put together like this and WFW wasn't really made with such things in mind.

Tax, yeah, I left the GSP costs out of the shot, though that is something I actually approve of eBay implementing. Some whine about it, but before it existed I had a few items where customs saw fit to open the box multiple times, raising the price, only for the post office to slap a colossal "handling fee" on top of it for each time the parcel was stopped. The total was sometimes much more than the worth of the item and you couldn't complain because the holding period for your parcel was longer than the review period for contesting a fee, so you'd lose the parcel and then lose the case due to "lack of evidence" as soon as the parcel was sent back / disposed of. If you paid the fee you could not contest the payment as you agreed by paying the fee, and handing the reference card over to them, to forfeit that right and devoid the mail service of any responsibility at all. With GSP it seems the mail service daren't screw with Pitney Bowes, or if they are PB aren't passing the cost onto me so it actually works out cheaper. Further to that, prices in the UK are often silly, the Xeon I have was over £800 from most suppliers here and it worked out at less than half this cost to import it. No doubt prices have dropped on both sides of the pond by now as I believe newer models have replaced it.

Seems to be a common model number, S-2000. I don't doubt for a second that if I looked around I'd find many more. Never used an Ensoniq keyboard, the closest I have gotten was an E-MU Proteus 2000 module which may have come out after E-MU and Ensoniq combined, but I owned it only briefly. It wasn't too bad, but it wasn't the right module for what I wanted to do at the time and I moved it on quite quickly. I always thought it sounded a bit "cheap" for what it was, though I knew someone who used one very effectively for hip-hop of all things.

Still haven't ordered my Celeron, primarily as I don't know how much work the board needs yet and, obviously, I have been tied up with this MPEG card and the POD. Oh, I did order an ISA MPEG card though, figured I'd use that in the POD instead although I may have to take them up on their claims of it running in a 386SX, just to see what happens. Hopefully I'll get around to ordering floppies soon as I literally have none left that work, it seems only my old broken ones got here and a bunch of original install disks I'd rather not write over.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-11 11:03 PM (#482 - in reply to #480)
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Well.... If you ask me, then free trade, should only apply to second hand trade between private persons.
As an example. If I buy something from outside the EU, that are worth more than 80 Danish Kroners (11,5 USD)
Then I need to pay 25% vatt. And an additional import tax on top of that.

Lets take an example... I find a Gravis Ultrasound in the US at a value of 3500 Danish Kroners. (500 USD)
Then I need to pay the 3500 + 875 in Vatt + 160 in import fee. That's over 4500 Danish kroners.
Wich in USD will be the equivelant of just over 642 USD.
This however is without the shipping costs taken into calculations. There is vatt or fee's on top of that too.
I think we need to pay an additional 25% fee of the shipping cost to the state.
If the shipping costs were 300 Danish Kroners, the total price for a GUS would be 4900 Danish Kroners. (700 USD)

Free trade on second hand stuff between private seller and buyer please... At least in Denmark.
Now... I fully understand these fee's and and addition charge if it was brand new modern parts.
On 20, 25 or 30+ year old hardware? No freaking way is that fair. What on earth can you use of modern tasks, on
an old 286, EGA, 640kb anyway? Homebanking? Youtube? Anything like tax returns? Nope... It's basically just junk.
Old outdated, junk that are fun to play with.... And nothing else than that.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-11 11:10 PM (#483 - in reply to #482)
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I always thought it was dumb to tax goods which are no longer sold in stores. Plus the fact I still take the approach that robbing the public is not the way to go if you (a government/country) want more money, instead perhaps it is worthwhile to look at where unneeded costs could be cut. I can think of several in the UK alone.

I wanted to add, in regards to my hardware/software problems that I'm not actually complaining. As there is no reliance on these machines I actually enjoy the troubleshooting as it keeps my brain ticking over. Besides, I'm usually asking for trouble as I seem to have this insistence on installing the most awkward devices I can get my hands on.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-12 9:55 PM (#484 - in reply to #483)
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Did you ever get a cable for that external expansion box for your T3200SX laptop ?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-12 10:13 PM (#485 - in reply to #484)
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That was for the Zenith. I didn't, it came down to having to make one and I never got around to getting hold of the tools to do it. I would likely have to replace the connector on the rear of the laptop as nobody has VHDCI connectors in that pitch, but the pads will take a regular LVD-type connector which would allow me to use a SCSI-2 cable.

Starting to think I may invest in a floppy emulator for installs, this disk shuffling, especially with a lack of working disks and the cost of new ones, is becoming tiresome. Should pay for itself quite quickly. Can't help wondering if I can install one in my Akai too as it appears to be a standard drive and the boot floppy is becoming increasingly unreliable - if that disk dies, the sampler doesn't work.

I have attached a different drive to my P66 and am currently installing everything from scratch. Thinking of removing the SoundCanvas as I never use it and could probably drive it over a cable in another machine if I wanted to anyway, it would help to free up a much needed IRQ. In the current configuration, there are no free interrupts or DMA channels, some resources were also shared by devices that aren't in use at the same time because it was the only way to get things working.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-13 1:11 AM (#486 - in reply to #485)
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Oh that was for the Zenith. There are so many of those VHDCI cables on ebay I am somewhat surprised those connectors are not quite right. I guess I shouldn't be though. Zenith must have done something to make a standard interface proprietary so their dear customers would have to pay an excessive amount for that cable.

I've toyed with the idea myself of getting a couple of those USB Floppy emulators but just really haven't had a good reason to right now. I don't understand why there hasn't been any of those made to emulate hard drive or cdrom, at least I haven't found one if there are. I would find one of those far more useful than hundreds of floppy images on a thumb drive, however I could see a good use for those, such as installing dos or windows for example and just select between the disk images, which would have to be written down as to which number corresponds to what floppy image...that could be a pain I think.. unless you've got one hell of a memory, or a few enough images where you can remember which one is which.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-13 1:42 AM (#487 - in reply to #486)
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I once located a chart which suggested they were a standard connector type, but I can only assume that they were not used widely and nobody seems to stock the larger pitch anywhere, though I'd bet you're right and Zenith would have charged excessively for the official cables. I'd probably have been more motivated if the SupersPORT also had that connector, but it does not. That thing definitely needs a video some day, it doesn't carry a Zenith logo, turns out the US Army and Navy weren't the only large organizations to use this model.

I tried to put off the emulator for years, but it is finally at a point where it is advantageous. I won't leave it installed permanently, instead reverting to a normal drive post-installation. Even checking the images manually will be faster than the continual checking and writing of floppies which is required at present. As I only plan on using it for installs it should be easy to maintain a list of what is on there, simply because it wouldn't change very much. In the case of the sampler, the S2000 has the facility for fairly verbose labeling which appears on the sampler's screen. Loading of anything beyond the OS is surprisingly fast even with a real mechanical drive, so it would not become much of a chore. Some people went the other way and modded SCSI hard drives into them, something Akai charged a small fortune for.

The S2000 was actually known as a bit of a rip-off to some, because it was boasted as a cheaper version of the S1000. What Akai failed to explain in their marketing is what made it cheaper - it was essentially a scaled down S1000 with its guts torn out, though you could buy them to add in separately for an extortionate amount. By the time you expanded it to S1000 levels of functionality, you could have probably bought multiple S1000's second hand if not new anyway. There was also the problem that you could easily crash the operating system by flipping to the end of the menus too fast. I take pride in mine being stock, not a single upgrade and a number of empty holes in the back panel.

I have finally found a working floppy to continue my efforts with the P66. I took the sensible option and wrote a boot floppy with FreeDOS, a boot manager (can boot CD-ROMs) and CD-ROM drivers. I am currently burning a CD with various installation files and drivers, so I should be running Windows again soon. Didn't realize this spare IBM drive was a 7.2K model, might have to leave that in there when I'm finished if only for the noise it makes, there's something very pleasing about hearing a fast SCSI drive spin up. Explains why it is double the normal height and why it gets rather warm.

Edit: Ethernet adapter is flaky. I think it was noted in one of the videos the system was in that I'd thought the card was broken before I installed it on the off-chance that it worked. I have another few to try and some of them are natively supported in WFW, so it shouldn't be a problem. Overall, it was thrown together quite quickly when originally built as far as I can remember now, I was supposed to move the day the video went live, but had managed to postpone it until a week later. When that was filmed there were so many missing screws, bent pieces of metal and lengths of tape that I tried to keep out of shot. It had a case transplant but any fixes were done haphazardly for various reasons. The short version is: I am not at all surprised that there are problems in here and I am surprised they took so long to manifest, but still nothing points to the motherboard, something I have an almost unhealthy level of paranoia over. One thing I definitely remember saying somewhere was "if you force me to move in there, I will personally demolish the place." and I wasn't joking, I actually had tools lined up to do just that and they remained on hand until the council gave in. Wonder if the thieving contractors ever used them.

On the Pentium, another point is that having received my third small electric shock in as many hours, I can't help wonder if the lack of grounding on the electrical outlets might be making things act strangely from time to time.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-14 6:07 AM (#488 - in reply to #487)
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Got it working. It turned out to be simple, the PCI INT# settings were wrong somehow and it wasn't necessary to tear everything down. I literally just flipped them to AUTO on a whim despite the old settings working before and everything started working. I recorded a short rambling video about what was happening but now nothing wants to render it properly so the image will have to do. I may Ghost the current drive over to the one I used for testing because it is much faster, but the current drive is good enough and I'll only do it if this one has problems down the line. It likely won't be necessary as it appears the CPU and the system bus bottleneck first when encoding/decoding (in the case of the CPU) or capturing AVI (in the case of bandwidth) and I'm hardly surprised given how such things were usually possible on a decent IDE drive of the time in a well configured system, mostly. I would hazard a guess that it is also helped in the latter case by the SCSI being PCI where the WinTV is ISA so the system probably doesn't have to completely halt everything else on the ISA bus every time it dumps frames to the hard drive.

Ha, I also finally repaired the CD Player function as I've noticed over the years that WFW has a dislike of actually installing the files for MCI CD Audio despite placing it in the "Drivers" applet. Manually "EXPAND"ing the file from the installation disks (or whatever you have the files on, in my case the second partition) to the correct folder fixes this.

I really should get moving on that Athlon video now that this is out of the way. I'll just shelve the POD and 486SX for the time being until that's done, I may have a new DOC to continue with the STPC by then too.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-14 7:51 PM (#489 - in reply to #488)
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Must be the week for video rendering issues...

Someone said once "it's the simplest things that bring down complex machines"

Is this Athlon you're talking about the 1400?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-14 8:52 PM (#490 - in reply to #489)
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This thing is a very complex machine by Pentium standards and I do expect things to go wrong occasionally. Socket 4 combined with multiple barely established technologies was always a recipe for such shenanigans to show up, one wrong setting and pretty much everything stops working.

As you said you were looking for an MPEG card, I may be willing to part with the spare Stealth 2001 + MVP board if the ISA device I ordered works out in the POD as intended. I was considering using the spare MVP the PPro but I think it would be useless there as the 200MHz CPU will be fast enough to do it in software. I'm more likely to try MPEG2 decoding on that system - if I even bother as solutions were much more streamlined by that time, making them far less interesting.

No, the 2800+ with the crappy neons. I don't have a running 1400 and have never been successful at making one work properly for any length of time. I'm happy enough with my P3 for that kind of stuff so the 2800+ just fills a gap between that and the retired Presler workstation I was playing Mirror's Edge with.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-14 9:44 PM (#491 - in reply to #490)
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Been busy taking my Unisys 486 apart for inspection and cleaning.
It contains a 1gb 50-Pin Seagate Hawk SCSI harddrive, 12mb Ram and S3-805-1mb (P86C805).
There is a genuine Adaptech SCSI controller. Both SCSI and GFX are onboard.
First I need to clean it and inspect the PSU internally, then I will start piecing it together.
I am thinking that it need a Dx2-66 in the 486 overdrive socket, then a SCSI CD-Drive and SB16.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-14 10:45 PM (#492 - in reply to #491)
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Glad to know you're still making progress. It looked to have lasted well so here's hoping the PSU is in good shape too, I also find that it makes me much more comfortable if the PSU is inspected first, better than an unintentional toasting.

Unfortunately the only spare DX2 chips I have are all low voltage models or you could have had one of them. Also, I'll now know who to come looking for if I get outbid on that CD-ROM drive I've been watching on eBay
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Posted 2017-04-14 10:47 PM (#493 - in reply to #491)
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I know the S3 805 is usually found on VLB video cards, so I am fairly sure the on board 805 as well as the SCSI controller are VLB. I think it would do good with a DX2/66 in there.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-14 10:59 PM (#494 - in reply to #493)
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Earlier this week, went over to a client who sold his business, a print shop. Same place I pulled the ALR 486 and Tandy 1000 computers out of. Well decided to make my trip worth while, so I had a look again in the basement and pulled a couple more computers out. He has an older friend that wanted the Gateway 2000 W98 machine down there, which was fine with me as I already have one here at work, in top notch condition too.

First picture is of both machines. Neither of them have inside what the case sticker, or Windows NT4 product key would lead you to believe.

Second picture is the inside of the right machine. Intel Desktop S370 board, 815 ( not e or ep ) chipset, Coppermine of some description. I haven't powered on this system yet.

Third picture, inside of left machine. Intel Desktop motherboard again, Intel P4 2.0 Ghz, S478 I think given the style of cooler, with Rambus 800-45 installed, about 1GB worth. Running XP. Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card, and a very low end TNT2 M64. Not sure why they upgraded this Athlon to an expensive 850 based P4 and Rambus, then used a really budget low end video card, especially for this time period, in it. Geforce2MX would have made more sense as a low buck card at that time period. Probably will part these out at some point. I like the style of the case with the P3 though, might clean it up and use it for something...





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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-14 11:45 PM (#495 - in reply to #494)
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#waybacktech:

Wow... That right case are so sweet looking. I do not care what is inside. The case is well worth it all, the way it looks.
It sort of reminds me of an Amiga3000, as it incorporates some of the same design trades.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-15 3:04 AM (#496 - in reply to #495)
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The only guess I could give towards the P4 upgrade is that the original internals were defect or unstable perhaps? There were an awful lot of bad K7 boards out there after all.

I have decided to make the Pentium even more complicated;

At £15 I figured I can't lose as if I can't burn discs, I can still use it as a regular drive. If the drive doesn't work, then the included SCSI board probably will and I will be able to use that elsewhere, given how my old Adaptec one doesn't work (which is why the P66 has that epic SCSI-2 card from BrassicGamer which replaced it) and my NCR card is a total piece of crap. I doubt the software comes with it, but I have a version of Nero which is supposed to work with this drive.

I cannot help but think this image sums the whole thing up perfectly;
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-15 2:44 PM (#497 - in reply to #496)
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Finished cleaning the entire Unisys. I had it all taken apart, and cleaned with a damp cloth, using some soap-water.
The PSU looks good, no swollen cap's, no leaking cap's and voltage is stable (only fluktuating 0.1 to 0.2 volt on each rail)
Reassembled it. Powered on, and behold a dead BIOS battery. Luckily it can hold settings when doing soft-reboot.
The harddrive is working, vga is working, ide and scsi channels are working and it can boot both Win98 bootdisk and
MS-Dos installer. The harddrive can be partitioned and formatted using "format c: /u /s". And it ran speedsys.
Just keep in mind, that I am still using the dx33 at this point.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-16 2:53 AM (#498 - in reply to #497)
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@ brostenen I'd say that score is about typical for a 486/33 chip, other than the UMC that is, which performes equal to about a 486/50.


I offered down the price on a pair of Xeon 550/2M processors, from $24 to $16 and the person accepted. Sure hope that is what gets the dual slot 2 board working. I have to think it would. I had the thought that the C440GX board might work with the dual 700's I purchased earlier with a bios update, but without having a working processor, I can't flash it anyway.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-16 9:43 AM (#499 - in reply to #498)
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The Unisys looks good to me. I have that same drive, but mine came from a DEC machine and died many, many years ago before I got hold of it. It stays with me as a memory of my first proper encounter with SCSI, one which likely contributed to my hair loss significantly. I remember being extremely confused as to why no matter what drive was plugged in, the "HDD AUTO DETECTION" option in the BIOS (Unusual for an older 486) seemed completely unaware of the drives existence... Yeah... man did I feel dumb when I realized what I was doing wrong several days later. The guy I was helping had no excuse, given he was running a computer repair business and he didn't catch on either.


You'd certainly hope those Xeon's worked. No EEPROM programmer or is the chip not removable?
Almost had that problem with the K7 Chaintech prior to owning a programmer, but luckily there were bunch of Durons to hand and it was probably my fault for trying to run processors the board wasn't meant to run. Since getting a programmer I generally prefer it because I can backup the original BIOS reliably in an instant and if something goes wrong I can re-flash the original without having to resort to obscure emergency recovery modes or risking another board by hotflashing.
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Posted 2017-04-16 3:58 PM (#500 - in reply to #499)
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Heres some stuff i recently bought:

McDonalds Playstation 2001 pack SEALED 2X

Rayman 3 PS2 Holo Inlay

Halo Not For Resale (Got like 50 of these already but what the hell)

Halo Japanese

Halo Mandarin

Halo 2 Japanese

Some weird famicom game

Toro Demo Issyo i dont fucking know

Turok Evolution Classics

Rare PS2 Magazine demo containing a early pre-beta of Crash Twinsanity from when it was called Crash Unlimited.
I still have like 10 packages coming over so stay tuned in for that. I havent got pics of everything and the pictures shown here are from the auctions i bought from, not what i took myself as i am too lazy.

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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-17 5:50 PM (#502 - in reply to #500)
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That's a nice catch of console games. Congrats.

For me... I have finished up my dx2-80 machine and done a few benchmarks on it.





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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-17 10:48 PM (#503 - in reply to #502)
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I like the DX2-80 chips myself. Just a bit more power for 486 era games. Many of those DX2-80 chips will run at 100 pretty easily as well. Are you running the standard AM486DX2-80 or the "Enhanced" version with WB?
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-18 8:38 AM (#504 - in reply to #503)
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I kind of like it better than say, a dx2-66, as it provides just that little something wich makes doom butter smooth. I have noticed that a dx4-120 or 5x86-133 is a bit too much for older 1990/93 games. It is the standard WT chip. As for dx4's goes, I have another machine that will be set up with my dx4-120. And I have a complete 5x85-133 build as well. Thats why my Unisys will be running a dx2-66 once it is finished.

This might sound excessive to somebody, yet, as my collection is about the history of PC's. I think 4 rigs like that, will cover the 486 era pretty good. Also... The 486 era are one of the broadest technoligically wise. If not the era with most technology. There is MCA, EISA, VLB, ISA, PCI and a lot of other busses. There is like 6, 8 or maby more CPU makers. Yeah... Its really broard. Hence 4 x 486 machines in my collection. And I am only covering the most basic used stuff from that era.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-19 12:05 AM (#505 - in reply to #71)
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Meanwhile, I have been working with the Athlon XP;



I have no idea if these results are good or not to be honest. I don't actually care all that much because I haven't noticed any problems with performance when I'm running games or applications, so the numbers that come out are of little concern in the real world.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-19 3:06 AM (#506 - in reply to #505)
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Probably could stand a bit more video card, but the numbers are good for a ti 4600
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Robman
Posted 2017-04-20 1:05 AM (#507 - in reply to #506)
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You haven't setup your MSN Internet yet??
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-20 2:35 AM (#508 - in reply to #507)
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Haha, I hate that thing, I've had installations before where no matter what you do, it tries to run that wizard when you open Internet Explorer.

I'm using the 4 Ti for two specific reasons. Firstly, the system is basically the machine I wanted in the Athlon days but could never afford. Secondly, it's only an AGP 4X motherboard on a 133MHz bus so I'm not sure it would go much further without contention.
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Brostenen
Posted 2017-04-20 10:35 AM (#509 - in reply to #508)
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As I have finished my dx2-80/VLB system, I had the FIC 486 VIP IO machine without GFX and CPU.
So I installed my AMD 486dx4-120 (genuine, not overclocked) and a Cirrus Logic CL-5446-2mb-PCI.
Did a couple of benchmarks, and it is working without issues.





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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-20 4:03 PM (#510 - in reply to #509)
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Good Warcraft 2 machine there. CL-GD5446 is a good chip for this.


The dual PIII Xeon is now up and running with the new processors, all 4 lbs worth. They actually did come with heat sinks already installed, which wasn't visible in the ebay pictures, and a pair of VR's, which are special to IBM servers ( i am guessing ) so those are not anything I could use. I have an idea for a mounting bracket, using some threaded rod shoved through the back side of the motherboard ( ya sounds bad but it's the truth! ) and strapping down the processors to that. I installed Windows 2000 last night and tried a couple video cards. 8400gs does not run on this board, no surprise there as it doesn't work on a lot of these older boards, but the 6200 does, and I tried my MX4000 as well. Right now I have 1GB of Registered ECC PC133 ram installed, and even though this is an Intel motherboard, with limited bios, it is running the ram at CL2 @100Mhz so that's cool. I am going to try benchmarks with standard PC133 as well to see if there is a difference or not in performance. Top 2 PCI slots are 66Mhz capable as well though I don't know what 66Mhz PCI cards were made that would be of use to me. Both types or VR's that i ordered work on these as well.

One hitch I ran into was that I forgot, or didn't realize, whatever, that W2K does not allow for creating an msdos boot disk. So I wasn't able to get the bios updated last night, that will be tonight's task, we shall see if that is what gets the 700's working or not, I am kind of thinking not actually, but worth a shot, and I want to be pleasantly wrong about that.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-21 2:03 AM (#511 - in reply to #510)
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No luck with the Xeon 700's after bios update. I figured the small changes to the slot wouldn't be solved by a bios update, but just had to try.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-21 5:49 AM (#512 - in reply to #511)
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Nonetheless, a running Xeon is better than no Xeon I am sure. It never did seem likely that Intel would make it that easy, after all, they want that upgrade money.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-21 5:37 PM (#513 - in reply to #512)
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About 50% editing done for the Athlon video.

I also managed to test out the SCSI CD burner a little, only as far as reading discs though. It works but it won't read audio discs for some reason - it does report the disc length but not the number of tracks. I shall try it in another machine because I can't help think it may be an inter-operability problem with the PAS16. It wouldn't entirely surprise me if that turned out to be the case as Media Vision only stated certain drives, namely models sold with the cards, were compatible and whilst the driver will work with other drives, it is reasonable to assume that there are no guarantees. If that's the case I will either use the drive elsewhere (as the included SCSI card likely works, so it could end up in the K5) or else I may be able to use an adaptor to run the drive from the same card as the hard drive if I really want to run it in the Pentium. Otherwise I'm using a NEC reader which is proving to be very fast so far and offers front panel controls for audio CDs, I'll be happy to keep using this one if the Matsushita burner won't work in here and I can always try a different burner in the future if I want to attempt this again.

Amusingly these drives were an unknown quantity, but a Yamaha model I bought as working and practically like new does not work at all and I don't think it is anything to do with the PAS here because it makes simply horrible noises. The first thing I noted when opening the package was a rather strong smell of magic smoke, so I may well be returning that one.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-21 9:01 PM (#515 - in reply to #513)
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Maybe there is a firmware update for your matsushita burner that will fix your problems.

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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-22 3:56 AM (#517 - in reply to #515)
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Not a bad idea, I have managed to find several versions and it seems this model was a popular burner for quite some time. I'll try it with the included SCSI card in the K5 first though and hopefully figure out where the problem is because it's a really nice drive otherwise, about as quick as an 8x drive could be and reads burned discs fine where other drives of this age struggle.

There are also other drivers which are known to work with the PAS16, so I might try those first. It is supposedly possible to pass the handling of CD-ROM drives to an alternate ASPI manager via MAMV1.SYS, but I have not been able to track down this file.

Edit: Found it.

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486u
Posted 2017-04-22 6:44 AM (#518 - in reply to #71)
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Recently restored a IMI 5012H 10MB MFM HDD with the help of another forum. Turns out all it needed was a good strong thwack with the butt of a screwdriver to loosen the lubricant inhibiting up the motor. The fuckin' thing spun right up and it reminded me of why I love working on these ancient machines.

Also bought and installed a Number Nine GXiTC TIGA XGA/2D accelerator. For 1992, 4MB VRAM and 16-bit true color in SVGA resolution must've been quite a sight. Put that beast in my HP Vectra 486U w/ 486DX2.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-22 7:07 AM (#519 - in reply to #518)
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I've witnessed drives which have jammed like that before, I guess sometimes the Clarkson method of repairing things is the correct method. Yes, there's something good about hearing a drive spin up and it is a "feature" missing from modern systems.

Sounds about right, I remember reading an article in one of the old magazines which practically said anything beyond 8-Bit was a waste around that time because you'd probably never use it. Of course by now, that's all the more reason to install such a device.


I have good news regarding the Panasonic burner.

A combination of MAMV1.SYS and SR_ASPI.SYS (the driver which would have been included in the box) gets everything to work brilliantly so far as reading goes. I also remembered that the Adaptec card I use for the hard drive has a narrow bus too, so I could always configure that card and hook it up to there if the PAS has problems with it later. As these are generic Trantor SCSI drivers and the ASPI manager Panasonic shipped with the drive I doubt there will be problems in that regard now. So, I guess I have a drive ghosting to do at some stage so I can install Nero - the drive imaging is done in case that breaks anything, it's a bitch to set this machine up.
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-24 4:55 PM (#522 - in reply to #519)
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Athlon video is as done as it will ever be and should be up in the next few days unless anything else gets in the way of it.

Oh, also, this has manifested itself;


Indeed, SX processor and as expected it doesn't work with the Cyrix upgrade. I am still going to install it in place of my U5S simply for the fact that this version of the chip is almost never seen. I'm still glad to have one. It may just be coincidence or a lack of feeling in my fingers, but it seems to run marginally colder. I really should edit that page, hopefully I can remember how to use MediaWiki.

Sorry for being quiet everywhere as of late.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-24 5:20 PM (#524 - in reply to #522)
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Cool. Was that the one I sent you a link to that was bundled with the motherboard? I noticed the one that I have, the numbers match exactly with the one shown on Wikipedia, which I thought was kind of cool. Not sure what that means, I'd have a hard time believing it is indeed the same chip, but I suppose it's possible unless UMC reused numbers stamped onto the processors.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-24 5:31 PM (#525 - in reply to #524)
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One of the items I am still waiting to arrive from Bolgaria.. these seem to be as rare as a U5SD.. should make for a good comparison to PIII and Athlon since this is the only C3 processor that was produced with full-speed FPU.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-24 5:39 PM (#526 - in reply to #524)
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It was, though the seller had beat you to it already. I waited him out, the price dropped, I made back money from something else and the exchange rate fluctuated heavily in my favor on the day, so I threw a bid on. The board may end up in one of the systems I plan to sell when I've finished rehousing things that are in rather sorry cases.

You said yours was from Russia, the Wikipedia user VanHelsing.16 is from Russia so I suppose it's not impossible, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything as the chip seems to show up there most. They could also be more like batch numbers than serial numbers I suppose and they may have only incremented for every production run, but I would find it hard to believe that so many were produced unless the numbers weren't sequential. I like mine anyway, N41441G1, I can remember that. Ha, the MS-4144 is a really good 486 motherboard.

I've seen almost nothing of those C3s, tends to be older 600 and 733 models mostly. I think I still have half a tray full of the 733MHz ones somewhere that I've slowly been offloading onto other people.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-24 6:25 PM (#527 - in reply to #526)
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I did see a while ago he lowered the price significantly from what it was. Hopefully you can recoup some of the cost selling it in a system. I have been looking quite often for more U5 processors just to see what shows up and I have yet to see another U5SD other than the one you ended up with. Glad you got that, I know you've been wanting one for a long time. It does suck though it does not have an FPU, but the FPU end's up going largely unused with so much of the old windows and dos software anyway, with a few exceptions of course.

Mine did come from Russia. Tray/Batch code is what I thought is probably stamped on the processors. As rare as the U5SD is, it's amazing to see 2 of them from the same tray. The little mark across the top of the processor pictures on wikipedia is not present on mine, which makes me think it is not the same.

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RobW0lf
Posted 2017-04-25 11:06 AM (#532 - in reply to #505)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-19 12:05 AM
I have no idea if these results are good or not to be honest. I don't actually care all that much because I haven't noticed any problems with performance when I'm running games or applications, so the numbers that come out are of little concern in the real world.

I'd say so, considering my dual MP2000+/HD3650 system barely reaches 8.5k points in 3DMark2001SE. Just made a thread about it in the hardware section.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-26 7:01 PM (#539 - in reply to #532)
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Fingers crossed...

This is bound to end well...



Almost afraid this thing might blow up or something.

I had to wire it to the Adaptec card, but not for the reasons I first thought. It probably would work when connected to the PAS, but this leaves the system with too little memory (as I have to load Adaptec EZSCSI / WINASPI) and I have 32-Bit Disk/File access enabled, so loading both ASPI managers tilts it just over the edge and makes things complain as they're quite heavy on RAM. I'm not really upset, the Adaptec card is faster and does less to impair airflow where the PAS16 is a long, long way from the CD drive, meaning the big SCSI ribbon choked the expansion cards a little. Believe me, those cards run hot, so that really wasn't something I was happy about anyway, so as much as I could have most likely tweaked the memory usage I genuinely think using the PCI Adaptec's narrow second bus is the better choice from all possible angles here.

Oh... hold on a second...

...And yes, it is readable in other drives too. This was a surprise as according to the box, the drive should not be able to burn discs of this capacity and I also used a dirty, slightly scratched disc to trip the drive up - I'd rather know early if the lasers are getting weak - so I think it really is safe to say it works.

"Oh, your retro machine plays old games, huh? Yeah, well, mine burns them!" Muahahahahhahaha! My god this is pointless.
- Socket 4!
- Fully SCSI!
- PAS16 Sound Card with internal speaker system!
- Realtime Hardware MPEG / Video CD Decoding and AVI acceleration!
- Can watch and record Live TV (sort of), consoles, other systems, VCRs & DVD players etc!
- Hardware Wavetable Synthesis installed!
- Has Ethernet that actually works properly!
- Capable of serious MIDI / Audio authoring!
- Capable of video and graphics production!
- Fully able to burn CDs at 600KB/s without issue!

The test burn was of the two drive images taken both before and after installing the burner. It was actually faster than relying on Windows 10's crappy network code. Here's hoping the PSU can stomach the extra strain, though as it isn't really feasible to burn discs, record or render video and play MPEG at the same time there's probably nothing to worry about.
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486u
Posted 2017-04-29 3:00 AM (#540 - in reply to #539)
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DXZeff - 2017-04-26 7:01 PM
- Realtime Hardware MPEG / Video CD Decoding and AVI acceleration!


I bought one of those ISA Sigma RealMagic MPEG decoders (based on watching your video). The card has its' own VGA port and a feature connector port so how exactly do I interface it with my video card and/or motherboard?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-29 9:35 AM (#541 - in reply to #540)
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RealMagic cards usually connect to the video card through a pass-thru cable;

There are at least two types, 8-Pin or 9-Pin, the latter of which is hard to find and I can't find pinouts for it at the moment, though I know they're out there somewhere.

The feature connector may work, but I've not seen a card with one present and I'm generally weary of using those because I've been lead to believe they weren't well standardized.
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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-30 12:50 AM (#542 - in reply to #541)
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I should really setup that MiroVideo VLB TV/Video capture card I have just to see how it works.

One interesting item showed up on my door step today. I had to replace 3 leaking caps, but so far it is working like a champ.



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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-30 6:16 PM (#543 - in reply to #71)
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A7M266 I guess?
Lot of people with MP boards as of late. I'm happy to simply observe such boards from afar as I have enough trouble getting one Athlon to work, I can only begin to fathom what might happen if I tried to operate two of them at the same time.

Yeah, that Miro card, oddball thing. Hopefully better than SPEA's attempts at that time.

Feeling rather lethargic the last few days and have done little more than dust off Mapster32

Taking me a while to get the hang of it again. Texture set mostly, used to know where every tile was and which ones worked with each other, though it was tricky when I left this map all those years ago because I'd never really used the alien texture set very much anyway. No idea if this will ever be completed.

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waybacktech
Posted 2017-04-30 8:38 PM (#544 - in reply to #543)
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Ahh doing some Duke 3D level editing? I use to use a little program called Devil's level editor for Descent back in the day. Buggy as fuck, but worked pretty well most of the time. One of these days I am going to sit down and properly play Duke3D. Are you doing this on your Athlon 2800 ?
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DXZeff
Posted 2017-04-30 9:36 PM (#545 - in reply to #544)
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